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I just can't be bothered arguing much about something as inconsequential as football - especially with someone who is likely a decent lad away from the game (Gato). I did the forum arguing a few times since I joined in June, and it has now become boring. So I would rather see if other people...

Fair enough. You have given me food for thought, and a different perspective. Take care and goodnight.

Bayern have a mental block against Real Real have a mental block against Barca Barca (had) a mental block against Bayern. Some kind of weird hate triangle.

Fair enough. I still think Beckham was an unnecessary transfer in and of itself though, regardless of Makelele. But it seems we agree on some stuff and disagree on others, so we have reached some level of consensus. It's been great doing business with you. Night. Edit: btw, 'sacrifice' made...

Yes, there's some top players there in the making, but they and the side collectively are years away from peaking. They really shouldn't be hammering elite teams by three and four goals at this point.

It doesn't matter. Michael Owen was never going to be good enough to be a main player in a team winning the league or CL. His entire career proves it. You know it and I know it. You know it was a stupid signing. 'Playing well as a rotation player while living in a hotel and bagging some goals'...

I said it at the time so it isn't hindsight. I rated Beckham but even then I knew he got a significant boost as a player due to his 'profile' off the pitch. Plus, we all knew Makelele was good there. So it was a case of Perez being a fame worshipper and getting rid of the guy who isn't glamorous...

He was never gonna be good enough to start for Real Madrid, if they wanted to win big trophies, no matter how you try and defend it. Far too one-dimensional.

Makelele likely cost you four years, though. After selling him it took your four more seasons to win one of the big two trophies. It's nothing major against Beckham, who was a very good player - it's that he should never have been signed and Makelele should never have been sold.

Maybe. But Beckham was still a case of too many cooks. Owen did okay but he was never gonna be a Real Madrid starting striker long-term, let's be serious. He was already in decline by then as his main and only weapon - his pace - was already declining due to the injuries. Either way Owen was an...

Funny how Perez cannot get the first Galacticos right bar the odd trophy, but can win 6 CLs with the second/third ones. It's almost like Gato is making it up as he goes along in his post.

Never said he wasn't one of the better ones (though you could name several who were significantly superior). Just said the reason isn't because he played for Real and Milan, in fact he'd have had a better career had he stayed at the Mancs where he was always comfortable and where his best...

What always makes me laugh about the first Galacticos is they were a mesh of great players thrown together with no clue. To give one example - people these days defend Beckham as a player because he 'played for United, Madrid and Milan, you must be great if you play for big clubs'...but what...

Lol good one. Nah seriously though, I don't care about his looks. His performance. He just isn't a CM, he can't control games or play the short game. He's definitely better when prowling or advancing into the box like this era's Lampard (though Lampard had better controlling abilities than him...

Mourinho was talking that bollocks too, about what he did in the past. Look where his career has gone.

He took the piss out of someone in the last minute with a little flick, was funny as fuck and capped a great performance.

Meltdown for 'Mr Cool'. Easy to be 'cool' when everyone licks your arsehole and you're part of the popular club (unlike Pep, who everyone questions, despite him being twice the coach Carlo is).

Maybe I am too harsh on him, Gato. Maybe you are right. I just can't get into him as a player. I have already noted that I suspect I am a contrarian, so his excessive hype and 'conventional' nature likely puts me off him.

Yeah me too mate. Football has an amazing history, not only on the pitch, but intertwined with politics. It literally has brought countries to their knees or brought them together. Zico was a genius. I guess he's forgotten by many because the amazing Brazil 82 team didn't win the tournament...

I think gato has a decent point tbf. The high line is worked on tactically but, like Birdy says, it can be broken by cute and clever teams. Mbappe was just too eager tonight and didn't curve his runs enough. It is a balancing act though because everyone needs to be in sync. One mistake and...