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Raul and Alonso too - going through ex players like butter.

Every time a club needs a temporary manager it's always 'lets get Zidane'. The thing is he's totally unproven as a coach outside of Real Madrid machine, lol.

To be fair, your post will likely look prophetic come April 2026 when RM beat Slovan Bratislava in the CL QFs.

Because he is a stats merchant and gets fewer chances to score.

Who's Astrid Wett? Looking at these convos that could be a case of nominative determinism.

Good point. Can cheat from his Depor days.

I will do from when I started watching La Liga, early to mid 90s onwards. I will go a mix of how good they were in the league and their peak ability. I have left out so many great players. Probably some oversights but ah well. ------------- -------...

Just thinking plenty of us on here need to control ourselves with how many threads go off topic and become about other players. The last few pages have nothing to do with R9, really. It happens all over the forum though, and on most forums. Just the way of humanity.

I am kinda confused what he was annoyed about, because reading back it seems like he thinks you were insulting Robbery. I think it's a communication breakdown. Btw I still think Levis has a point, though.

Yeah, agree. Ronaldo and Son make more darts inside and off the ball, for balls coming from deeper or wider. I think Windhook just takes exception to what he thought was you implying that old-school wingers aren't proper wingers. That is not what you meant though, breakdown in communcation.

Robben was a more direct and in general goalscoring winger. Ribery was a Figo style wide playmaker who created and did a lot of build up play. Obviously both could do the other too, but that was the general theme. And why Bayern had so much balance across both sides. They also had full-backs...

I just meant if one was dropped there would be outrage due to their profiles and reputations off the pitch. If Carlo dropped Mbappe for a big game and they got hammered you know the aftermath would be 'why didn't Kylian start?' How do they work together in a team? Can Mbappe play up front or...

He means they were inverted, playmaking or goalscoring (Robben) wingers these days, playing on their 'wrong' side, rather than chalk on the boots old style Jimmy Johnstone or Willie Henderson types who got down the line and crossed. The way the game has gone in recent decades. You probably know...

I honestly think that they should just choose between Vini and Mbappe and use the other as a bench player. But obviously with their fame that can never happen. Ideally would never have bought Mbappe in the first place and play Bellingham in the number 10 position or as a false 9. Vini Bellboy...

Anyway, I get the feeling we are arguing over nothing, really. Nobody denies that Lewa is a world-class striker, or one of the best forwards of the last 30 years. But you want people to say he is categorically better than guys like Suarez and Benzema, and even L Ronaldo, and a line must be...

Yeah in Barca's case it is true, and I agree. I am just saying you are changing from exagerated assists to now saying Suarez scored more for Barca than Liverpool (which is true). Obviously playing with Messi helps a lot in that sense, you are right. I don't think it's fair to level the same at...

Fair point, but it was you who implied Suarez has more assists because of how good finishers Neymar and Messi were. That's football though - all three were great finishers and great creatively and they were a plexus that set each other up, accounting for all their brilliance. Same with Ronaldo...

Plus (and Tempt will say I don't rate Bundesliga now, but I do) there were several good teams in Germany at that time, but Bayern were by far the strongest and had a monopoly on the league. Now, part of that is because of how good a striker Lewa was and is, but still the point must be made...

Good post, especially considering I thought you would abuse me for saying Silva over Gerrard. I agree with the vast majority, other than Gerrard being the most complete - too poor positionally, couldn't control games particularly well, defensively too rash, too many Hollywood balls, low football...

Ultimately, Tempt, it all comes down to me thinking Benzema and Suarez are simply better at playing football than Lewa. It isn't a slight on Lewa, as he's an excellent footballer himself, miles better than someone like Haaland, for example. All the other stuff - career stats, BDs, trophies, is...