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  1. Maradona37

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    maybe I should just stop posting in here. You're all guys I get on with and generally agree with, but your tribalism as Barca fans blinds you hugely on this debate and makes you extremely biased. Same as every other club (including the 'sports washing' clubs' fans in the other direction).
  2. Maradona37

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    You didn't address my middle paragraphs, and continue to evade the individual TV deals points. Why is it okay for Barca to have much more money than 99.9 percent of clubs, largely based on history and immorally fleecing supporters, but it's not okay for a few clubs to have more than them? It's...
  3. Maradona37

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    So let me get this straight. It's ok for Barca to have more money than 99.9 percent of clubs, and rule over them, and have individual deals to keep them down. That's fine. But it's not ok for two or three clubs to have infinitely more resources than Barca? Because those two to three clubs are...
  4. Maradona37

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    Never said they were plucky underdogs that is a straw man and I nor anyone else has said that. or that I like them or think what they're doing is correct. I also think the World Cup should not have been in Qatar for many reasons. My point is that every elite clubs is immoral and only cares...
  5. Maradona37

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    Anyway, I think almost everything I have said is correct, and would get upvoted relentlessly on Bluemoon, for example. But obviously on Barcaforum or rawk or redcafe or bayernzone it will go down about as well as Harvey Weinstein attending a women's rights group. That's the tribalism aspect of...
  6. Maradona37

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    Anyway, it probably sounds like I am trying to wind you lot up and digging at Barca. That isn't my intention - I want Barca to win stuff and prefer them as a club to PSG easily. I am just saying there are no good guys at the elite level of football. All these clubs are cunts. Look at...
  7. Maradona37

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    Also, Christian Bale getting paid more than a lesser actor is a poor analogy. Christian Bale is an individual, who is paid based on how good he is at acting or how much of a star he is, on his own merits. The traditional clubs is more akin to nepotism i.e. an actor with famous parents or...
  8. Maradona37

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    My overall point is that - at some stage, and it was on a smaller scale - every club has had outside investment. Not on the grand scale of now, but my point is that Man United, Liverpool etc only became 'historical clubs' because at one point they were pumped full of outside money. That money...
  9. Maradona37

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    I mean I like Barca lads, I really do. But I think a lot of you wear Barca (and 'historical club') glasses in these debates. Sure, investment from states is immoral. But trying to position Man United, Liverpool and Barcelona as morally better clubs than PSG or Man City is laughable bollocks.
  10. Maradona37

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    In the 1930s, Arsenal were a nothing club who were spared relegation wrongly, but were given outside money for Herbert Chapman's team. Before 1958 Man City were the bigger club than Man United. Liverpool only got where they are due to outside investment from Littlewoods in the 60s and 70s. Barca...
  11. Maradona37

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    So does that mean Leganes should just accept that they'll be second to Barca forever then? That's essentially what you want, eh. The big 6 or 7 history clubs to rule forever. Pathetic. Barca can spend much more than leganes because of history and the individual TV deals. For someone talking...
  12. Maradona37

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    Not really. It proves that Barca will do business with Qatar when it suits them. So crying about them is hilarious. It's on a smaller scale, yes, but still proves you're willing to get into bed with them at some level. If Barca were serious about their hate for PSG they'd refuse any sponsorship...
  13. Maradona37

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    Doesn't negate the rest of my points. If anything, the greedy dominance and entitlement of clubs like United, Barca, Real Madrid, Liverpool, and their desperation to turn football into much more of a business/much more financially lucrative than it was previously (satellite TV, expansion of CL...
  14. Maradona37

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    And also, moaning about states when you have been sponsored by Qatar in the past. You take money from them when it suits you. Don't act like Barca and their board wouldn't love the Qatar money.
  15. Maradona37

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    Other than the moral aspect, I fully disagree. I think @delancey made the same point (despite being a Barca fan himself). Why shouldn't sates be allowed to own clubs? Because they can spend more money? Also, as I said and you ignored, wouldn't clubs like Brentford, Newcastle, Ipswich, Leganes...
  16. Maradona37

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    Y It's true that losing the full backs fucked you. But my point is injuries happen - you have to be prepared for that. Yeah Martin did play badly in general play, so I was being misleading there.
  17. Maradona37

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    Yeah, if they played in France they would have. If Madrid were competing against Man City and Liverpool at their peak (I know Madrid peaks several years before those sides did) then it's less clear cut, and I think they'd still have struggled to win leagues. And, again, your point is proved...
  18. Maradona37

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    If you say so - I hate human rights abusers, but to me the moaning about clubs like City, PSG and Newcastle comes from 'traditional clubs' (and yes I include Barca in that). There's a lot of sour grapes about PSG on this forum because of Barca's dreadful financial predicament- I like Barca but...
  19. Maradona37

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    That's less to do with them playing in a strong league and more to do with Madrid themselves being a cup team/club. Barca generally win the league alongside the CL.
  20. Maradona37

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    What sort of argument is that? Yeah, take away a few of a team's better players and they'll be weaker, there's a shock. And Balde and Kounde are nowhere near Mendes and Hakimi in quality anyway. I know it's Barcaforum but call a spade a spade. Plus Balde is more injury prone than those players -...

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