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    10 - Lionel Messi - v2

    Best player ever. In my mind, there are 4 primary ways a player can contribute to the team: goalscoring, assisting, helping keep possession, and tracking back/defending. No one has ever come close to Messi's combination of those things. ___________________ Goalscoring: Goes without saying...
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    Cesc Fàbregas

    I think he will be able to. Last season, he played well at the beginning of the season, but it always looked like something that wouldn't continue. He was excelling at something (goalscoring essentially as a forward) that was not his main positive quality, and was looking lost in the passing...
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    Cesc Fàbregas

    Is that a young Johan Cruyff at the left side of this picture?
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    David Villa

    If anyone out of the guys I listed could play at the right, it's Villa. However, He will be less effective on the right than on the left. There's no doubt about that. And the question then becomes whether a less effective Villa is better than Pedro. I don't really know the answer to that, but...
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    David Villa

    Do you realize that Villa can't really play on the right side? That's why Pedro is so hard to displace; there aren't really many players who can play on the right side on the squad. Alexis, Villa, Iniesta, and Tello all play on the left for Barca. Naturally, it's harder for any of them to get...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v2

    I agree with everything you are saying. In one sense, Messi is actually far more complete. When people say Ronaldo is more complete, it is as a scorer. In that sense, yeah, he is more complete. He makes more header goals, has longer range, etc. In my mind, this is a red herring though. People...
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    David Villa

    Villa does not play on the right. So Pedro doesn't really have much competition for his spot. Meanwhile, Villa plays either in the center or on the left. Messi takes the central spot virtually every match. Alexis, Villa, and Tello all play on the left. At the same time, if you want Xavi...
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    how would you play against barcelona ?

    GK: Iker Casillas LB: Ashley Cole CB: Thiago Silva CB: Vincent Kompany RB: Philip Lahm CM: Xabi Alonso CM: Andrea Pirlo CM: Yaya Toure LF: Gareth Bale CF: Cristiano Ronaldo RF: Arjen Robben BENCH: Schweinsteiger Hummels Falcao Aguero David Silva Chiellini Neuer The point of this team would...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v2

    I think two things are going on: 1. Ballon D'or is a calendar year award, so there is a sense that this calendar year mark is important, especially when it is (or maybe was) unclear who should win the award. 2. This record is better than the season record. Obviously a season is just a...
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    David Villa

    You could look at virtually any match a pure striker like Villa plays and point to multiple times when they were in a good position to get a pass and it didn't go to them. Their job is to get in good positions, but many times players don't get it to them. On the pitch, players do not have a TV...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v2

    To some degree I agree with this. However, I think you're operating under an odd assumption You believe that Messi is sometimes shut down so we should looks for Villa and Pedro more to keep them around for when Messi is shut down. However, this relies on an assumption that the team ever WOULD...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v2

    Okay, so I suspect you're like 12-14 years old, but there is such a thing as a margin of error in a statistical sample. The more data points you get on something, the higher the chance is that the data you have is actually statistically accurate. You are unstoppably touting Villa scoring 5 goals...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v2

    No. I find it absurd that you are trying to argue Barcelona lost the league last year because Messi did not score often enough. He scored more goals than anyone has ever scored in a league season. Barcelona scored more goals than they have ever scored in a season. In fact, they scored more goals...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v2

    A ton of the "examples" you used are just incredibly silly. You are trying to say that teams can shut down Messi. You then use the most absurd list of examples. How is Spain winning without Messi an example of teams shutting down Messi? Maybe it's an example of these other players being able to...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v2

    I think their killer balls are about equal. This was not even close to true before last season IMO, but last season Messi really improved in this regard. In terms of Maradona being better at dictating the pace of the game, I agree, and that is what I meant when I said Maradona was better in the...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v2

    I am becoming more and more convinced that Messi is absolutely the greatest player ever, and certainly has the highest peak of any player. The man dribbles as well as Maradona, gets into position and shoots as accurately as Gerd Muller, and in the last year and a half has been giving through...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v1

    I know this is pretty off topic, but can you explain what makes Catalan culture distinct? I'm not doubting your statement, it's just not something I've ever really learned/read about
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    Cesc Fàbregas

    I don't disagree that Villa is a better player than Cesc. Or at least that he WAS a better player (I'm not sure he is better anymore now that he is a bit old and Cesc is getting into his prime years). But it is supremely ridiculous for you to base your logic for this on the fact that Barca did...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v1

    Not to start some political debate about something I don't know a whole lot about, but Catalonia really doesn't seem like it is recognized as a nationality by anyone but people in Catalonia. To me it seems analogous to people living in Quebec. They have their own somewhat distinct culture, but...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v1

    Before he's done, Messi could very easily have basically every goalscoring record there is: LA LIGA: Most goals scored in a season: Already has the record, with 50 last season Most goals scored in a calendar year: Already has the record, with 43 in 2012 already Most goals scored in a career...

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