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I don't understand the argument. Is the argument here Messi doesn't outperform the other 2 members of the trident? or are you guys combining Suarez and Neymar into one player and saying Messi doesn't outperformed that hypothetical combined player? If it's the former, that's wrong, Messi...

So to you, Messi's only impact for Barca in all these titles has been winning games easier vs winning them harder? Barca would have won regardless, Messi just made made the results wider. Not downplaying Messi's contributions, nope, not at all.

This, again, is not the point. It is agreed Messi is dependent on the talent around him, like any other player is. The point being discussed here is his impact on the team and it's success since, vs the impact another player would have had in his stead. The example chosen was Alexis instead...

I said: And you proceeded to say: So you obviously said Barcelona would have been as successful trophy-wise with Alexis instead of Messi, if albeit weaker. Alexis was just a player chosen at random. Well maybe not at random, it was directed :tito: You said Barcelona won with Messi, not...

Well you're taking 2 world class attackers and replacing them with unproven youth players, that's hardly a fair question. Your last sentence is not the issue though, I think everyone can agree Messi by himself cannot win everything, nor any other footballer has or will, the issue being...

So far you've agreed a player like Alexis could have won just as much in Messi's stead; That he's just a wheel in the machine, not the one that made the machine work; That he won nothing on his own; Contradicted yourself by saying Messi made the team legendary from brilliant, and then said...

You say you're not downplaying Messi's importance, then proceed to..... downplay Messi's importance. I think you best drop this subject Serghei, you're quite off the mark here and calling people "Messi fanboys" for disagreeing with you is not doing you any favors.

Yes, like I said, Messi isn't a generational player that marks differences, the team was. Those teams would have just as well won trebles and multiple titles with Alexis instead.

Yup, Barcelona would have won 2 trebles and 25 trophies in a decade with, let's say, Alexis instead of Messi. Messi's just icing, not the cake.

Why be content with 40m when you can get 80m :coffee:

Yes he played some LW to accommodate Cesc under Tito. Might have played there too under Pep some times, can't recall. Just meant his position in midfield is a CM position and always has been. With a more attack focus role as CM than the CM role of Xavi's or the defensive CM role of Busquets...

Iniesta has always played CM. Barcelona's 3 man midfield needs 3 CMs, all with different focus roles, but 3 CMs nonetheless. Iniesta's focus role might have shifted a bit last year, but he's always been a CM for us. AMs are pure attacking midfield positions, and that's what Coutinho is. His...

This is not a slight on Coutinho or your evaluation, but I would be extremely wary of awarding high evaluation value to his stint as CM last season because of EPL's open and back-and-forth style of game. It's a lot easier to not look out of place at CM there for a player of the technical...

It's not a matter of contemplating selling Neymar. He's a Manchester United player already. Done. This season you can look at it as if he were on loan from ManU and next summer he goes back. In fact, given this case, I'd say they need to buy his replacement in January and bench Neymar the...

What's so "lol" about that?! If Bravo continues his current pace of wowing us fans, why can't someone offer 100M for him? He's at the peak of his skill! Okay, maybe not 100M, but surely 99M or 98M.

https://vine.co/v/OM3dTuwLFbT

I understand the allure of Coutinho, but he's an attacker, not a CM. The comparisons with Iniesta are not accurate. Coutinho is not a natural replacement for Iniesta and if forced to play in his position, will take a while to adapt, if he can do so at all. Rafinha is a similar attacking style...

https://vine.co/v/ejOVeivxUdO

Neymar is already a ManU player for next year. Barca will grab the new record transfer, and ManU will grab their new Cristiano Ronaldo for the next 4 years until he's sold to Madrid for the then new record fee. All this smoke means there's fire. Barca better start thinking on how best to...

Yeah, his ability was clear and documented at Real Sociedad too.