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Your bid wasn't a bid , Barca know it , we know it , everyone should know it. It was a tool , and a bloody good one. My turn , much like some on here. :)

You can continue calling me stupid , and you can continue to say i don't have a point , but you all seem to be missing what i have actually said , if you want to find it go look for it , if you don't then that's your choice , but if you aren't willing to check the points i have made , don't...

Is it common for Barca fans to " accidently " miss things , or maybe to just choose what they see. Look through the thread and their is a few that concur with my sentiments.

The truth hurts sometims though Hamzah , some fans here actually agree with my point , others refuse to open their eyes , due to bias , which is understandable , but not ideal.

I'm here , hi to you aswell.

Ofcourse not , but if you read some of the stuff from the Shankly era it is very very obvious the tension that exists. I wasn't trying to make a direct comparison , but there are similarities. Athletic Bilbao are more than a club in that case.

Roy agree's about Barca unsettling Mascherano , i'm not gonna win an argument about Barca being twats in this paticular situation against a forum of Barca fans , so i will respectfully bow out. I'm still right though.

You could say that about Liverpool though , there are historical differences with the city of Liverpool and the country and many Liverpool fans don't support England , but we don't proclaim ourselves as more than a club , it's Barca's choice to do so though.

I can't be arsed arguing anymore . @10Rivaldo grow up

Again , we don't want Hleb , so to tell us what we want is so superficial , we will decide what we want. Hleb is run down , he is barely worth 3 million anymore. Seems Sky sports agree with my opinion , their anchor said it is 12 million with no players added.

Read my post properly , i didn't mention Cacares in the deal , what's the point of debating if you don't read things properly ?.

I saw it mate , the second point is uncorrect again , as you are not seeing my point in the right context.

The offer doesn't incorporate Caceres though mate , it is 12 million plus Hleb , a player who we didn't show any interest in , he doesn't play any games for Barca and was poor at Stutggart , you just threw him in to sweeten the deal.

Thankn you mate , atleast someone is willing to understand my point.

Again , read what i am saying , don't steam into an argument without knowing your oppisites point , jesus how hard is it to understand.

That's point one , you aren't more than a club in that case ?. Point two , it's fine making a low bid , ( i accept every club wants to get the lowest price possible on any given player ). However , the point i was making was this , that first bid was a bid that Barca knew wasn't near to being...

I will say one point again , read my posts again , i quite agree that every team wants to pay lowest price , but read my posts again and see if you can spot the crucial point.

As normal , you're spot on , but you got to remember , Arsenal were and are in a stronger negotiating position than Liverpool.

E.g I don't have a suitable counter argument , thanks. So your not denying you are as bad as Real Madrid ?. I never thought i'd see the day when Barca stoop that low. I'd take a swap with Ibra , but i doubt he'd come.

Mes que en club is false then. You are as bad as Madrid , and that's fucking sad.