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Opinion: Mbappe isn't as talented as Zidane and Platini.. Statistically he can beat them, and he can win more. But he's not as good at football. I don't even consider this a controversial view.

Yeah he's a bellend and it affects his standing. You know football well for sure - I have seen the same tendency - that French people especially and players in general rate Platini over Zidane. I'd probably agree, though Zidane was a childhood footballing idol of mine. Maybe more controversial...

Cruyff of course could be considered for 1974. And Beckenbauer was top that year too. Gerd Muller is an underrated player as people think he was just a poacher when he actually had more to his game. None on Maradona or Messi level I'd say, but deserve recognition for what are said to be great...

Forgot Zidane yeah. Yes 1998 he wasn't good except the final, I remember it well. He was sent off in the group stage and missed the Paraguay game in round of 16 where Blanc scored a golden goal. He was much better in 2006 though underwhelming in the group stage there too, but took right off in...

Nice one, sounds class. fair enough, playing football is one of life's great pleasures.

Yes it's how you win. For example, I always said he was better in 2014 and 2015 and 2016 than Ronaldo was in 2016. You can perform better and lose a tournament than someone who wins a tournament. Performances don't always equal winning. And in 2022 he was superb. I don't put it on Maradona...

True but shows how lazy they are doing that.

I like him from his Brighton days, but I admit, pre tournament I would have started Grimaldo. It's all ifs and buts though - maybe Grimaldo would have been awesome too?

The thing they overlook is, and I have said it a million times about the pro C Ronaldo/anti Messi camp. It wouldn't matter if he'd won nothing, and Ronaldo had won everything. Achievement is not talent. Nobody can ever claim that Ronaldo is a better footballer than Messi. It's clear that Messi...

IniestaGOAT told me Garrincha is shite by modern standards and inferior to Henry... :unsure: :inigo:

Sepp Maier probably is. Martinez has been brilliant though and will go down in history.

That was borderline bullying of him by the Ronaldo fanboys. Now that it looks so bleak for Ronaldo, they (I don't mean Fati here) say people should appreciate both - after destroying Messi in the past :lol:

Nice one mate on the playing as a youngster, glad you enjoyed. Glad you mostly avoided injuries. I have had some back pain from playing, it isn't easy to deal with.

Exactly, there are far more talented and better all-round players, but as a moments player at Real Madrid he has life on easy mode. He will be successful regardless because their players and the way they play hides his deficiencies, like it did the second half of last season. Astute post and...

Have you played much football yourself? Doesn't have to be at a decent level, just curious if you play? You can talk about experiences if you like.

Going back to the past - people talk about 2014, but one overlooked tournament just before Messi hit his prime is Germany 2006. I remember it well as it was just after I first got the internet in the house and began communicating online. Argentina were the best team in that tournament, with...

Thought that. You definitely can make that argument. He was very influential for Holland in the 70s, when he and Michels implemented total football. Then he brought the philosophy to Barca, and revolutionised the club and influenced all of its modern legends such as Guardiola, Laudrup, Xavi...

You mean can? I assume 'can't' is a typo.

He's brilliant but headlines like 'Maradona, Messi, now Yamal' are putting too much pressure on him, lol. The boy just turned 17 on Saturday.

Yeah thought that myself. Feel he could have saved it, probably should have.