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Scholes and ferdinand with 'concerns over De Ligt' and implying he's gonna be a colossal failure. Fucking hell, for a change those two clowns aren't hyping up everything Man United and might be right about something

Stuff like 'he is a role model for the kid players' when talking about veterans, is generally utterly bollocks pseudo psychology analysis. People said that about Ronaldo while he was throwing players under the bus. Most old players are far too concerned with their own wage packets and pending...

Thanks, meant to tag you too but too lazy to edit. It looks like they can be a surprise package. Still a dreadful result tonight though.

@soul24rage Are Monaco any good these days? Have they been making moves in the transfer market? They finished 2nd last season, that's pretty good. They play CL football this season. But still, it's pre-season, so don't get too despondent. Though it is a bad result.

That's a while away.

In all seriousness I am not watching, things can change after pre-season though. Hopefully Flick pulls it all together. Away to Valencia and then home to Athletic is a tough first two games though if not in a good place.

Even they aren't that desperate lol.

He will make it and take off his Flick mask to reveal Setien's face.

lol. That is pretty high dedication to the ideology of trollism, I must admit.

It's worrying for Barca that Flick has hung his hat on him. I guess he has no other option though than to back him fully.

Must be a full moon.

I also never said stats aren't important. I said that they're not the be all and end all as modern fans would often have you believe and that, yes, the eye test reigns supreme. Stats would tell you there's not much between Penaldo and Messi. But watching them reveals a much greater truth.

Like I say, I am not even talking about Raphinha. You quoted me with no mention of Raphinha and invited me to enter into a wider debate about qualitative vs quantitative. And that is what I did. Then you called me a hippie.

I am not even referring to Raphinha, for all I know he played brilliantly and scored a lot of goals and assists to boots. I am just making the very simple and should be easy to understand point that stats obsessed players are not necessarily the best players in the team. In fact, it's rare the...

Based on Saturday's performance, he's clearly been watching Euro 2024 and taken 'emulate your idol' too literally., given not only his lack of stats but lack of ability in general play.

To give you another example. - how often did we see Messi play the inch perfect crossfield ball out to Alba, who squared for a Suarez tap in. Messi didn't get any credit statistically (until pre-assists were a thing), but he was clearly the main architect/protagonist of the goal. Whether this...

I am saying that a player can score a goal and assist, and be useless for the other 89 mins. And be vastly outperformed by someone who didn't get a goal or assist. Arguments like that would never rate Iniesta as a top player as he wasn't a stats merchant. It's the McTominay, post-prime Ronaldo...

Fair enough. Like I say it's a game of opinions. Flick, Deco and the other are paid to try to get as many decisions right as they can.

'Top stuff' is nearly as good and condescending as 'do better'. Us Scottish lads have some good phrases for sure.

Yeah that sort of stuff should be confined to Ronaldo or Haaland fanboys.