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True on Ronaldo but you refused to say he outright lacks charisma too, as I believe he does. Anyway, that's enough now, going offline to eat and tidy and shower. Thanks for the discussion.

Charismatic yes for sure but comes across as a bit insecure going on about having just won the CL over and over and asking people not to call him arrogant. He's always been insecure though, which isn't that compatible with charisma (or maybe it is looking at cult leaders?). He doesn't come...

Yeah he has no charm or charisma really, in fact the way he behaves indicates a high level of insecurity and autism, which ironically is what Tempt says Messi is (and he might be right). The leader nonsense has always been bollocks. He has disappeared in more big games than people will admit...

I don't like Messi, I have told you this before. I have no liking for him as a person, I just love him as a footballer. And yes, he comes across as quite boring, but I would suggest that's the way he likes it. Anyone that is enough now.

Yes, Ronaldo is male gaze for sure, mostly because of his height and body and his cuntishness, not his face. I am not sure, you know. You said you think Beckham is overrated in looks, and in recent years he has started to look weird, almost like he could run the dodgems at the local theme park...

Fair enough, I respect what you said there too. There will always be a debate about whether charisma and charm are the same thing, or different. I understand what you mean - Gosling has gift of the gab and a way about him (charm) whereas Cruise has presence as you say, captures attention...

By the way, in general straight guys are completely clueless about who women find attractive. I am one of the ones who can take myself out of myself and see the female gaze, but most cannot. To give an example, I used to know this 55-year-old guy. He was adamant that 80 percent of women loved...

He's always been a very cringeworthy individual, ever since he became famous, to be fair. He has a weird face and a weird personality. Lots of much more talented people in football history too. I cannot see the attraction either as a footballer (despite him clearly being an excellent player)...

Him thinking he is 'charismatic and good looking' highlights his delusion and the fact that he doesn't understand how much the media and being famous exaggerates these qualities in some men. He has zero charisma - he comes across as a complete cunt, isn't particularly funny or witty, has no...

I only seen 10 mins of the game but unfortunately it was in that period the goal came. To be fair it was a beautiful finish by Becker, across the goal after opening his body up, and in off the post. Any player would be proud of that finish.

Yeah I like and rate Birdy but thought that was weird. Even if a team doesn't deserve to win a game, that doesn't mean they aren't screwed by bad decisions sometimes. It shouldn't make it easier to swallow. Lots of successful teams have won loads of games they were the inferior team in.

Yeah it can still go to any of the expected three teams. I don't think there will be a surprise winner because all the teams are dropping points. What we can say is that this may very well be low points total to win it, relative to most recent years. Something like 83-86 might be enough.

Well, as you know I am not a Barca fan even though I like the club, so I don't have to watch Barca, even though it looks an interesting game. So too does Benfica-Porto. However, neither of those is live on TV in UK and I'd have to go hunting on IPTV. I fancy Inter-Napoli tonight I think.

Fair enough. Gonna go watch some football tonight anyway. I will talk to you guys later or more likely tomorrow. Night, and best of luck for Barca.

I know it seems that way but I am definitely not skilled enough to be a typist.

That's weird. I assume though you deleted it and I was still able to quote as I already quoted. So I had plenty time to type, if that is how it works. Still a very fast catch to get it within a few seconds. I have never heard of that. You must be a superstitious dude.

I have always have had an affinity for Japan so this makes sense. Thanks for the info.

That was a pretty bad joke but I had to make it.

Yes, we won't cancelO his prediction :facepalm: :)

Only @TheStig counts as @Temptation is biased. Just jesting Tempt, don't get annoyed lol.