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:lol: we all know real are willing to spend a lot though. So we'd really have to pay a ridiculous fee for them not to match it. So either we don't get the player because they've got their first option rights and he wants to go there or we get him, but only for at least 40 million. That's like...

That makes no difference. If they match our offer Dortmund have to accept it. We usually have a low first offer anyway so they'd get him for cheap. If we make a high bid and Madrid decide not to match it then we'd have overspent on the player and it's not worth it. Lose lose situation for us...

Tito obviously made mistakes. His man management and motivation techniques were poor and he didn't do much inside games to change things. It was still an improvement on Pep's last year though. The direct play helped us and witching to 4-3-3 instead of playing the 3-4-3. If only he'd buy a good...

I don't know what Gundogan is thinking. It doesn't make sense there is first option deal for him in any other scenario though otherwise Dortmund are putting themselves at disadvantage for no reason.

You're right, but I think Gundogan already wants to go there but Dortmund told him to stay one more year so their squad isnt totally decimated and they accepted a first option from madrid so he can join them next year.

Yeah. If somone else makes a bid then they'd have to accept real madrids bid if it was the same. This means he's almost certain to go there. The other club would make a low starting bid and increase it slowly as most teams do. Madrid could just come in and match the low starting offer and it...

As I have said, relax. We have Xavi, iniesta and cesc for the central midfield and guys like Sergio roberto coming through. There are also other talents like Oliver Torres out there. The midfield will be the strongest part of the team next year and the last thing to worry about.

I think that could count as his signing on fee. Anyone else buying him would have had to pay the same (actually even more, he turned down higher offers to come to us).

He'll end up in Madrid. They have first option on him. I think we should look for a new style involving cesc or look to the the likes of sergi roberto or even bring Oliver Torres in a couple of years time.

People talk about having a great player like Cesc as if it's a bad thing. Also remember bringing Cesc was Pep's idea.

After pep's amazing success changing to manager with totally different methods is not a good idea. Tito was the perfect choice as he preserved what was successful in peps era while also bringing a different management style and personality. Now if there is a new coach the transition isn't so...

You're jumping to conclusions. In this particular situation and with Barcelona it was the best idea.

To be fair hiring Tito was the best idea at the time. And changing coach halfway through the season when the guy is only out for two months isn't a great idea. I'll give Tito one more year but if his health causes more problems and he doesn't manage the squad well then it's best for everyone...

:lol:. I know you're probably taking the piss, but it's funny seeing this after one friendly after united fans poked fun at other clubs fans for being fickle while they were being patient and had stability.

His signing on fee was always going to be high. He's the best young talent in world football and brings with him a lot of marketing potential.

You're right. I'm just trying to say in terms of actual players on the pitch it won't be a huge loss. There are long term effects on the cantera like you have said. It's already being going on though, I remember a couple of young talents going to arsenal a couple years ago. Rosell causes far...

For the last part... It's not being said out of bitterness, it's kinda the truth. If that particular rumour is true then thiago is a bitch and the fact is there are and will be many other talents of similar ability. Just recently for example players like isco and gotze have been transferred...

I heard someone in a different thread mocking ed for describing "the future of english football". Just out of interest who was he talking about?

I get what you guys are saying now. I think the midfield has been spoiled with Xavi iniesta and busquets who are the best three in the world for the tiki Taka style. The team knows they can pass to them even when marked by several players in a tight area and they can get out of trouble. Most...

Central midfield is the area of the pitch where pace is least important you know. Seems people get their football knowledge from FIFA on this forum sometimes. The facts are that he has good ball control, great passing and world class vision. He can spot through passes and execute them like no...