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If a good team parks the bus you're not going to thrash them. We were better than Chelsea in 2009.

Bayern should beat Real comfortably, Real won't park the bus because they think they are a match for them. Bayern will have a game where they have space for once and will destroy them.

I actually prefer Bayern to win the competition now. If Atletico win I don't mind that much either, but please not Real or Chelsea.

Surely you hate Chelsea? I hate them so much I would even consider supporting Real if they were playing a head to head match. Also the 2011 team could have beaten anyone...

So Messi is not to blame at all? It's never his fault ever. Come on. He, along with Tata and most of the team need to think long and hard about what they are doing.

I still think intensity is important and we lack it. Offensively we lack the tactics and smarts but defensively we don't have players hunting the ball in coordinated movements anymore.

The problem last night was the gameplan but the intensity and passion of the players was also awful apart from Neymar, Alba, Iniesta and Cesc. Of those only Neymar had even a half decent performance. So Messi deserves it. Also its not just him but the whole team that's getting slammed and in...

Or Tata said this to try and deflect blame from Leo?

Not blaming Messi for the defeat but he deserves some hate. The defeat is down to the whole team either not caring/caring but not playing well. Also the tactics were awful.

He's got his own forum these days, not really taken off yet but alright.

We can tap him up.

There's a difference between having an off night and not giving a shit. I think people can tell. OK guys like cesc and iniesta were poor but at least they were putting effort in. Guys like you think Messi is untouchable. If he deserves criticism he should get it like everyone else.

Exactly. Both those guys play opposite of Barca philosophy, the only similarity is that klopp has a pressing game.

We need big changes but I'm not sue exactly where to start. Problems from the top all the way down to the pitch. Don't expect a CL for a few years at this rate. We can hope,for domestic titles in the meantime. As for cesc he is a great player when used right eg Spanish national team.

Oh yeah. If we change how we play then I want him to stay obviously. He is a brilliant player used right but he is just out of place ATM. We won't change how we play though and we'll keep cesc in a system which doesn't suit him, just because he was a big money signing.

Even if we get the copa and even fluke the liga you cannot deny there are very serious problems at this club.

Of course. I love Xavi and always will. Though if he continues to play every match like this it's bad fe him and the club. I want him to stick around and play less games. You guys got the wrong idea because I said fuck off. I didn't mean leave the club but to spend less time on the pitch.

How dare I criticise Messi, he is not a God but a human like the rest of us and if he is doing something wrong I'll point it out.

I love Xavi, but we can't live in the past, move with the times. We'll end up like AC Milan if we use that approach.

It's sad because I think he's a great player and was really excited to see him come here. I really wanted him to do well and he has kind of. He was unfairly criticised and I tried to defend him. But you can't overlook he just has no place in the team with our tactics. He has good games in...