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@bismp Funny you mention Ronaldo. He's a bit of a microcosm of those Real teams in general i.e. they were better in 2010-2014 than 2016-2018, as he was as an individual player, but they won more in that latter era. Highlighting that many factors/variables go into winning football matches and...

Yeah, like you say, on all-round ability they'd be lower, but they have a great CV/list of trophies. I feel it was a weaker era for Barca and RM, but again that would make it look negative of all teams of the post COVID era, including Man City. They did win a lot of matches in miraculous...

Agree with all. I can see @FC B point a lot. But I feel he's putting more weight on style of play and football dominance, the presence of luck in knockout competitions. Whereas you are going quite strongly on what teams won, regardless of how they did it - while acknowledging the margins are...

Yeah true, I don't think they are. The team that stood out to me as one they could leapfrog is the 2022-2024 Real team. I know they won more titles and two CLs, but at the same time Barca in general weren't as strong as before in those years. Even the season Xavi won the league was a bit of a...

I agree Pep's Barca were a much better team than the Real three in a row team. They played far better football and to me that is the greatest team I have ever seen (club or international). However, what I will say is that bismp seems to be leaning quite strongly on achievements and accolades in...

True, good point on the ageing of City's star players in those years. Especially the loss of David Silva from the team really impacted their playmaking style. He ran that team for a long time, in my opinion. I am a very big fan of his. Yeah I figured that would be your line of argument and it's...

Good response. I'd say Madrid's argument is much more about what they won, rather than how they played and did it. The what over the how.

@bismp Seeing as I am quite familiar with these teams as I follow the PL a lot, and, It could be an anti-Madrid bias, but I would also be tempted to put Man City in second. True, they didn't win the CL as much, but they won all three domestic leagues (and in 2024 too solidifying that status)...

Fair enough. There's things to like about it and also reasons to be sceptical. Like I say, having watched him for many years I could type out some of both, but not really in the mood right now. I definitely think it could turn out well. My worry for Barca is he plays poorly and kicks up a fuss...

Just trying to give a more balanced viewpoint - look at pros and cons - rather than being dogmatically against him.

I agree that Bayern season was better than any of those Real seasons. I would much rather watch them and their style of play. They were more impressive than any season for the Real three in a row team (I'd argue 2014 was Real's most deserved of the four in Ronaldo's time there). And that real...

Some lovely ones there - though a lot of them are older (maybe the video is older). Can't believe the Chelsea FK is almost 6 years ago. Time flies. I watched it live and remember thinking it was exceptional. That little 'oo' from Neville after he hits it.

He looks about 65 in that photo. I think it's the stache. I mean he would look decent for an older man. That's a glimpse into his future.

Yeah was thinking England would be second favourites due to their emerging and large pool of talent. Plus, as you say, home advantage. Just hope they don't get to play every game at Wembley (outside semis and final which are all there anyway).

I know it's early - three years to be precise - and the World Cup is still to come first. But three years passes quickly in life and football too. Anyone got any predictions or anything? Are there younger kids emerging that will be young players there do you think (maybe they are 15 or 16 now...

Yes he has a heart of gold. @zanela he probably didn't realise you were an adult woman. He can be a bit hyper and not pay attention, lol.

Love a good role model debate.

had stuff to do today so missed the London Diamond League meet. :cry:

Aye I agree with all that and was in my mind when considering it - that really they both had one sensational season but either side was worse (relatively speaking). In the three season spells, as you are ranking by, they probably do deserve to be rated lower than United, who won three titles in...