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any others in the uk having problems with sky sports 5?

3atb vs a counter attack is not good IMO.

at least we're not as bad as arsenal...

the same with modric, isco etc etc...

we are cules. we are always negative and panic easily.

We don't even play 433 anymore though....

Bayern would be worse off in the CL with an uncompetitive Bundesliga. We saw what happened last season.

It'd be sad because they have a great atmosphere and play entertaining football. They are a likeable club.

We always played posession footy since I became a football fan, but pep took it to the next level. Rijkaards team had some physicality and directness too sometimes.

Let's get real. Pep, Klopp, Mourinho, Simeone aren't coming. Maybe if dortmund do shit there's a slight chance we can get klopp but he doesn't want to come here because he thinks he ll be forced to play the style he doesn't like. Maybe if we made clear to him he can bring his own brand of...

Is the problem the style of play though or were we just not executing properly?

Why do you support Bayern then? just curious. They are obviously not in the same mould as Atleti or bvb.

I don't think Lucho is interested in that side of things so much. The only transfer that he was actively part of was Bravo. He just lets Zubi do his job.

We don't play entertaining at all. Anything good comes from the players not the system giving good footy.

It's a different feel now because they are expecting shite, and know they are in transition. When Moyes was there people still thought the team had another year in it so it seemed really bad. Also with van gaal you know he will set up for the future nicely

Good points

The second formation is basically what we've already got. Also not a fan of 3atb, just because guardiola uses it at Bayern doesn't mean we should use it..

United should be down to nine and have a penalty against them.

I'm sure he's clever enough to realise that he can't play the same way here than he does at atletico, he is a pragmatist and football genius who would pick the best way to play for us if that did happen (he won't come here probably and this is completely hypothetical). Though it's true he does...

Even pique is better than that. You know when you want pique your fucked at the back.