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Only Maradona is a realistic competitor. Pele third. After that, there's noone on their or especially his level.

I don't think he can be the best ever. If you class Beckenbauer as a CB or sweeper, which he generally was, he is in a class of his own. Big Virgil isn't that far off the Maldinis, Baresis and Nestas though imo. Which is incredible praise for him.

Finished 2-2. Tottenham equalised just as I posted that. Noice. Got 3/5 correct so far including an exact for Liv-Eve. I went for Forest and Wolves to win which fucked me.

When Dinho played in his prime it was just before the internet and stats revolution. Messi and Ronaldo bizarrely coincided with the rise of social media, which meant their great stats became a massive talking point. Also the stats revolution in football. With Ronaldo in particular it makes you...

Maguire and Shaw as the outside CBs, Fernandes as a midfielder again alongside aged Casemiro, and Mazraoui as a wing back (he's better as an outside CB). This MIGHT be a shitshow.

I am just talking about who had most ability. If Messi joined Liverpool for 6 months next season, he'd be the most talented player in the history of the club. Same as how Maradona isn't a Barca legend but is one of the most talented players in the history of the club (whose best club spell came...

He was insanely talented and good to watch.

George Best had more talent. Not a better career, or better reputaton in history. but more talent. Obviously both ATG level talents but I prefer Best.

Not the same thing at all. Federer is way too old to be a tennis player. On the other hand, plenty managers are still great at 62.

Of course Brighton are 2-1 up, and of course I forgot to change it. Hope Tottenham equalise.

Just seen this. Yeah it lacks some context. I was gonna make a post about how other stats lack context too, I might when I can be bothered. But you know when a pass is completed - it's a cold hard fact even if it doesn't measure how progressive the pass is, if it was the correct pass (was a...

Indeed. Night.

Goodnight, thanks for the on topic debate. It's fun to talk football past and present.

Yeah that is why I added the caveat of him being average there. Definitely, they need to prioritise midfield. They're still doing it now with guys like Hojlund and Sesko. They could have sold Bruno for 100m, got in two midfielders or one midfielder and Mbeumo/Cunha. They're playing Amad RWB...

Lol yeah. The first leg in the Bernabeu is where Jones marked him well. Welbeck scored a nice header too.

I originally missed Van Nistelrooy but edited it before you opened lol. Forlan could go there too, but he was mediocre there and his best spells came at other clubs. Then you have good/decent strikers after Ferguson either at United or other clubs like Ibra, Cavani, Falcao, Lukaku, Greenwood...

I knew you'd post the goal, lol Yeah Ronaldo scored. But my point is that Jones kept Ronaldo quiet for most of the game. That's about as much as you can ask against prime Ronaldo. It was rare to stop him scoring anyway so only letting him have that one moment was pretty good.

Talking about United, they have always had top quality strikers or forwards - Ferguson's ethos was ALWAYS about having goalscorers Hughes, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Solskjaer, Sheringham, Van Nistelrooy, Berbatov, Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Van Persie. I am sure I am missing someone. Now I am a...

Phil Jones actually done quite a good man marking job on Ronaldo in the first leg, lol. Yes Van Persie was a great striker. But that even proves my point too - he was their best player in 2013, but De Gea was good too and Carrick had returned to form. So, again, having someone doing well in...

It really started under him - they had a strong midfield of Carrick and Scholes as a base, but they still played more direct. Then Fletcher came in and did well. Towards the end of his tenure though, after Pep schooled him the first time, he started neglecting the midfield. It didn't help that...