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The cost of the Sochi Olympics has been massively exaggerated by the Western Propaganda Ministry (sorry, I meant free press) They included in their reported numbers several other infrastructure projects penciled for Fiscal Year 2014 all over Russia. The entire Sochi region has been turned into...

I am not arguing with you, since I think you agree with me, just adding to the conversation: That's what western nations always say. "Corruption" is their number one excuse for everything. For why their ex-colonies are poor, for why they should always organize big events, for why their puppets...

They were somewhat better, that much is true. But other factors should be taken into account as well.

You don't get it. Corruption is the only constant in this equation. Everything else is just so much noise from those who lost out.

Precisely, they were indifferent towards their league. It was done and dusted, concentrating everything on the CL campaign. There is a big difference when you are fighting on two fronts, than when you are fighting on only a cup competition.

Bayern's opponents in the last 4 years in the CL: 11/12 Basel Marseille Real Madrid (PKs) Chelsea (Loss) 12/13 Arsenal (away goals) Juventus Barcelona Dortmund 13/14 Arsenal United (7th in BPL) Real Madrid (loss) 14/15 Shaktar Porto Barcelona (loss) Barcelona opponents: 11/12...

Whenever I note certain facts, they are "apologetic". Whenever you come up with some isolated stat, it's the Holy Bible. Let me guess: "strawman"

Real were in the meantime fighting for a Liga title, Bayern (as per usual) were cruising domestically. There was a Clasico stuffed right between the semis in which both you and Chelsea got lucky. You got lucky because of the Clasico and in the PKs, and Chelsea got lucky with just about everything.

Bundesliga can't hold a candle to La Liga. And it's 3 that they have won, not 4. CL, we are about the same if we win in Berlin. Only we have beaten better teams through the years.

All I said about Chelsea, replying to the OP, was that between 04-09 they were definitely one of the best in Europe. Since then, not really. It was others who started posting tiers with the best clubs in Europe (nothing wrong with that btw) and I posted mine. My thesis is that the only team...

How so?

Jordan is one of many "developing" countries largely under the thumb of the "free world". Surely you meant to say that their ruling regime is scummy, not the country itself.

OK, my bad then. :cheers:

Because maybe most of the planet supports his bid? Only sore losers from the EU are against him.

:wacko: But still, do read my edit. Maybe it will help you understand.

When your semi-final opponents are Lyon, you are bound to reach some final when you are clearly under-par. If we win in Berlin, we are well ahead of you, both for the decade, and the half-decade as well. All football fans tend to isolate the one period or specific statistic that makes their...

The only way for Bayern and Real to be in the same sentence as Barcelona is to take the last 2-3 seasons specifically Make it 5 seasons, or 10 seasons, or this season, and it's Barca all the way. But yes, Bayern/RM will have a go at us for sure next season as we are banned from signing players...

Was the question about the last 2-3 seasons specifically?

Now seriously: 1. Barca 2. Bayern, Real Madrid 3. Juventus, Chelsea, PSG, Atletico, Man City, Arsenal 4. Man United*, Sevilla, Valencia, Wolfsburg, Gladbach, Leverkusen, Zenit, Napoli, Lyon, Monaco etc etc etc... *United can improve dramatically next season with all the money they got. But...