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Bilbao, Granada, Dortmund and Slavia away were easily worse or at least as bad as this match.

Yeah, let's just hope that 3 matches are enough to see that it won't work and he corrects it for the Leganes match. That's the thing I don't understand with Valverde's apologists who come out of the woodwork to shit on Setien. We had plenty matches where we were simply destroyed, outplayed...

Another thing that was simply unacceptable tonight(in the first half at least) was that Frenkie had to drop back and move to the right to help Bob deal with Valencia's attacks. We used to laugh at Valverde for making Frenkie a water carrier for Alba but here is Setien doing it on the other side...

Btw, for 3 at the back to work you also need a wingback or winger that can do both phases at an acceptable level. Alba can do it decently enough on the left but on the other side, the side with the calamity that is Bob, it's 17yo Fati. As a manager, how can you not see the problem here and trot...

This is exactly my stance on this. While i do get that Setien doesn't have a "magic wand" and he does need a little bit of time before judging him, the fact that today he went into the game with the same 3 at the back, with goddamn Roberto as the 3 CB, is ridiculous. How can you watch Roberto...

Ten Hag/Pochetino in the summer with full authority over clearing out the deadwood. Wishful thinking on my part but Setien is not the answer and neither will Xavi be imo.

Well yeah, but what happens when you face a team with great wingers? With the current players we have it's suicide as their main weakness is 1 vs 1 duels. Of course it would work against certain teams but we do need different players for this kind of formation to work more often.

Agreed. I just hope Setien doesn't persist with this formation. Against dross at the Nou Camp sure, but against any respectable side and we'd get destroyed. Against Valencia I want to see 4 at the back. Anything other than that and we'd risk a drubbing.

Well, it was a first half take. The second half was better all around for us. But yeah, this is the kind of impact a 120m player should have when facing such a team.

I know but it's still infuriating when you see it. Could've left that pitch with 2 or 3 injured players while the ref barely noticed their disgusting play. Serves them right we beat them in the 95th minute.

Second team after Granada who came with the intention of butchering us. I fucking hate these kind of teams so much.

If we continue with this 3-4-3 shit then Setien deserves as much blame as the players in this match. Even more if you ask me as he has seen over 70 minutes of this shitshow and he still decided to not take any measures. Edit: finally a goal, nice pass by Frenkie there and good finish by...

BTW Griezmann is seriously dissapointing. I get that he didn't get much service but he should be able to have some impact against Ibiza of all teams. Awful, awful half of football from us. Should consider ourselves lucky we didn't concede 3.

Get back to 4 at the back at half time ffs. We're getting battered out there. Sub out one of Semedo or Roberto and bring in Umtiti.

Puig with poor awerness on the goal. Anyway, poor showing from all the team tonight. If things don't improve until half time, Setien has some changes to do. Our passing is slow and predictable, they don't have any problems blocking our passing lanes. BTW Lenglet is a bang average center back.

I really like Umtiti and his reading of the game is levels above what Lenglet can muster but his legs are gone. Maybe it's the lack of games but he looks out of confidence and somewhat clumsy, especially under pressure. His pace was never a strong point but was decent enough, now he is probably...

Should not even see the bench at this point. Either he goes to another team or he goes to the stands.

This guy could become the best player in the world. He has the close control, technique and skill that guys like Mbappe only dreams about. Of course he is only 16 and he has a long way to go but I simply have a feeling that this guy gonna eclipse his compatriot. We should keep and eye for this...

Sack this guy anyway. Dude had no authority whatsoever before this but now even the cleaning staff has more power than Ernie.

If he accepts the position nobody should expect trophies this season. Valverde has destroyed this team both mentally and physically and nobody can undo it overnight, he needs time. That's why we needed to tell Ernie to fuck off after Liverpool last year and appoint a coach that has the whole off...