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Wasn't Stoke the place where Messi was supposed to end up in a cold watery grave?

If it is, it's not by any sizable margin. City tearing teams apart is a testament to that. As for ex-Liga players doing well in the EPL, it's not just former and peripheral Barca/Real players that are doing so. It's across the spectrum.

I am saying that Messi would be at least as good there as he is here. The PL fans like to repeat time and again that their favorite league is in some orders of magnitude tougher than anything else in Europe. This claim is easily annihilated by what I have just pointed out. The issue of...

I find it incredibly funny when people tell me with a straight face that Messi wouldn't be as good in the Premier League when an entire legion of ex-Primera players are tearing the EPL apart.

I am not sure you were really watching our games during the Pep era. We had a ton of nail-biting victories (and disappointing draws/defeats) even during Pep's most glorious seasons (08-09 and 10-11)

That's what I thought as well.

Is Griesmann off to United?

48m pounds upfront for Diego Costa is not that crazy, but they got only 32m when they sold him to Chelsea a few years back. How much did they pay for Vitolo?

They have Diego Costa back. With him and Vitolo coming in by January, Atleti will become even more formidable.

I think it was 1-2 that they lost back in 10/11 to Gijon. Edit: It was 0-1. De Las Cuevas '79.

They want to go for Lewandowski from what I hear.

I thought yo said that we dropped 7 points on the trot. My bad. True. We were quite poor that season (when we got hammered by BM in the CL) but because we scraped many wins against the minor clubs (thanks to Leo most of the time) we won the league with ease. In fact, leagues are won mostly in...

No, see above.

I just re-checked. I was right, we were 12 points ahead 2 years ago, then lost 11 points on the trot. Draw with Villarreal, and then 3 consecutive defeats to Real Madrid, Valencia and Sociedad.

If I am not mistaken, we were 12 points ahead and Real Madrid almost caught up. They beat us at home, we lost to Valencia (also at home) and dropped some other points as well. We barely won the league in the end.

Are you sure of this?

I like this so much! :messi:

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Penaldo for Real Madrid incoming!!!

Another massive decision goes in favor of Real Madrid.