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Hmm, Erdogan is their president, but Germany their national team? :sherlock:

I understand, but I mean if the star players perform like amateurs, then the manager has all the right to try and give the minutes to players like Denis (who I don´t even rate highly) who actually put effort in what they are doing. My opinion is just that the manager should have the last word...

Damn. Looks like we actually need another cb this summer, this is just too risky to have him as the backup for Pique and Umtiti. A shame because he normally looked very solid when he played for us.

True to an extent, but our players are grown men and not children. If you are a professional footballer at least your goal should be to win the match you are going into. Yes, a person like e.g. Klopp can certainly push a few more percent of energy out of players, but what we have seen today or...

He has shown his class on many occasions already. Even many small actions in many games that prove he is top quality.

That is nonsense on a different level. He was our best player with Messi this season and is certainly a top3 keeper in the world. Having him over Neuer won´t change Germany´s outcome of the WC.

Where have you been after the Villareal game btw?

Messi not playing might have an effect on our players mentality (having him probably gives a lot of confidence), but that does not explain the gaping holes in midfield and defense. Since he doesn´t contribute to defensive work himself, in that department having Messi today would not have changed...

I really am not quick to attack our players, especially if they have done as much as him, but that really was garbage. He tried so many dribblings in the decisive minutes and failed them all. Just frustrating.

Lol Ramos misses a penalty and immediately dives to get a second one :lol:

Because we swap Dembele for him, duh.

He was immense today.

Showed nothing today.

I thought this forum had consented that the Ballon was a joke trophy only decided by popularity and propaganda and therefore not important!? Has that changed again, or am I missing something?

Does he not understand that with 31 his body is not able to perform like it did 10 years ago? It really does not help the team to have a tired Messi in every game. If he were to play fewer minutes, but with more energy, it would be a lot more beneficial to us. On top of that I believe that the...

^Vertsappen would make sure they both don't finish.

Have you seen Reals defense, some weak ass shit if ever I saw a weak ass defense.

Thanks Ulreich and Rafinha.

Those Real players really are fragile in the last 5 minutes.

Asensio hit by a lightening.