I think that if there was one factor that could have changed and affected the CL during those years, it would be having a better manager. That was the weakest link of those teams.
Humiliation against their biggest rivals, after trash talking them?
First time brazil concedes 4 goals in a qualifier as well.
Have not lost this badly against Argentina since 1959.
They are tied on points with us right now, and we still need to play.
Still in CL.
Still in Copa del Rey.
Nothing indicates they are "highly" likely to win nothing.