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KingLeo10
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He's really, really good, but to me, what separates the GOAT tiers (Magnus, Kasparov, Bobby) from the rest is their intuition for the game. Shoutout to Karpov and Capablanca here too as almost GOAT tiers.
I think that sort of intuition is hampered by growing up in an era of engines. It remains to be seen how much of his abilities are genius and how many are insane memorization of engine lines (which is where most top super GMs fall these days).
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Windhook
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I love chess, but always sucked at it against devoted players online. In real life my record is mostly Ws, but haven't played in a decade against a real opponent since student days.
I was doing some offline puzzles during a flight to Berlin recently on the Lichess app on my phone. I was going mad "I can't figure out this next move!" and right that moment the plane did a hard landing. I don't have the fear of flying, but some minor anxiety with plane landings always. I got distracted by the puzzle.
I was doing some offline puzzles during a flight to Berlin recently on the Lichess app on my phone. I was going mad "I can't figure out this next move!" and right that moment the plane did a hard landing. I don't have the fear of flying, but some minor anxiety with plane landings always. I got distracted by the puzzle.
MonteCuler
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I love chess too just don't like openings, tactics.. they remember every single move they are going to make before the game. I have one opening I have been using since I started playing, and just go on and use my problem solving from there. Pawn e4 and take the 2 knights out. Or actually there is another one I used, where you put your bishops in front of the rooks and attack diagonally. No idea what was it called. Most games I started like that turned out to be a complete mess in the middle which is what I like, just gotta be careful. It's great to see chess is not dying and actually maybe just getting more popular. With internet it is now taken to a whole new level, you can play chess whenever you want. One of humanity's early inventions that survived the test of time.
KingLeo10
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It used to be a great game before the era of engines wiped out the fun of the openings and most of the middle game.
You rarely see brilliancies and any numpty with a really, really good memory to ingest engine lines is going to look better than attacking geniuses like Alekhine or Tal (who didn't play the most "SOUND" moves, but created fear and confusion with their combinations that was hard to refute without knowing the engine line refutations). I would say the early to mid 10s is when the game stopped being as interesting, because strong engines were accessible to anyone with a computer.
Also, it has such a storied lineage of World Champions.
Lasker
Capablanca
Alekhine
Botvinnik
Tal
Petrosian
Spassky
Fischer
Karpov
Kasparov
Kramnik
Anand
Carlsen
Basically, over 75% of the World Champions were truly legends.
You rarely see brilliancies and any numpty with a really, really good memory to ingest engine lines is going to look better than attacking geniuses like Alekhine or Tal (who didn't play the most "SOUND" moves, but created fear and confusion with their combinations that was hard to refute without knowing the engine line refutations). I would say the early to mid 10s is when the game stopped being as interesting, because strong engines were accessible to anyone with a computer.
Also, it has such a storied lineage of World Champions.
Lasker
Capablanca
Alekhine
Botvinnik
Tal
Petrosian
Spassky
Fischer
Karpov
Kasparov
Kramnik
Anand
Carlsen
Basically, over 75% of the World Champions were truly legends.
MonteCuler
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Yeah you can go far in chess just with great memory skills. But creativity is still the final boss
This is why I like chess. It's maybe the most "equal" sport. There is no physical, technical advantages. In football guys like Messi were just built to dominate that sport. Both players have their pieces and the power of their mind, that's it
GloryHunter 007
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who's your favourite chess player?
Haraldinho
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Fischer is boat but Kaspa is goat.
Chess gloryhunter.
Chess gloryhunter.
Windhook
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Chess reached its peak in popularity in the 90s with Kasparov. That decade was stacked with greats like Kramnik, Karpov, Topalov, Anand. As @KingLeo10, said, engines that got introduced to train kids and online forums to play for fun, changed the game for worse. Some nobodies with rating of 900 beating grandmasters online is ruining the integrity of this game. I believe Magnus lost interest in traditional chess because of that.
Most of the world champions reached their peak, one exception - Bobby Fischer. His meltdown post-Rejkjavik (1972) is legendary. Got bored out of playing the game, nothing to prove and asking for way too much money to appear in tournaments.
Most of the world champions reached their peak, one exception - Bobby Fischer. His meltdown post-Rejkjavik (1972) is legendary. Got bored out of playing the game, nothing to prove and asking for way too much money to appear in tournaments.
Maradona37
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I don't know how to play - never learned. But it seems like the ultimate test of intelligence, memory and creativity.
Is it the highest IQ sport?
GloryHunter 007
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watch Kasparov - Karpov Lyon on youtube. You'll be blown away.
GloryHunter 007
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always thought of Kaspi as the greatest, some prefer Fischer, Carlsen, so there's no answer.
Maradona37
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I read a bit about Deep Blue on wikipedia a few years ago - that's the extent of my chess research.
I will watch that online some time, merci.
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