ElMagodel304
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He did 4 great month yeah thats about it, with England he was awfull at the Euro and in every nation league games. He has the best PR though.
Jude Bellingham
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Maradona37
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I don't rate him much, and think he's an arrogant, delusional, overrated, fraudulent PR merchant who has been made to believe his own hype through his own lack of intelligence and self-reflection, and also by an army of sycophantic fanboys. To me, he represents everything that is wrong with modern football. One example of an enemy of everything I want football to be about, and a complete clash in style and philosophy on and off the park with me (as other guys like Ronaldo and Haaland are too).
However, it shows how narratives can change. In the clasico before this he had a nice assist and a tap in, and people were claiming he owned Pedri.
It highlights that if players play each other 2/3/4/5 times a season, sometimes player A will perform better and other times player B. But you must stick to your guns. It's normal that the inferior player (Bellingham) will get the upper hand here and there over the superior (Pedri). It's not realistic to expect a better player to be better every single time. Even Ronaldo had games where he was better than Messi (a minority).
But fans and the media flip flop. That's why Bellingham was a genius when he had two goal involvements in the game RM won, and now he's a joke after a game they lost and he was invisible.
Media controls the narrative. The important thing is not to flip flop. When Bellingham had a better game than Pedri, it didn't make me think Bellingham was better or doubt myself, as I knew normal service would resume in future and Pedri and Barca would win the next game, or the game after.
Barca will win some games, Real will win some. Some games Pedri will outshine Bellend, the odd game Bellend will outshine Pedri.
But the sign of a football novice is changing your mind based on one encounter, or gloating about Bellingham having a good Clasico when he could easily be garbage in the next (as happened here).
In general, I don't rate Bellingham. Real Madrid are a strong team and he's still a 'decent' player, so it's natural that he will have some 'good' games and pad his stats. But in general, in the big games, and being substantial across a season - I don't rate him.
However, it shows how narratives can change. In the clasico before this he had a nice assist and a tap in, and people were claiming he owned Pedri.
It highlights that if players play each other 2/3/4/5 times a season, sometimes player A will perform better and other times player B. But you must stick to your guns. It's normal that the inferior player (Bellingham) will get the upper hand here and there over the superior (Pedri). It's not realistic to expect a better player to be better every single time. Even Ronaldo had games where he was better than Messi (a minority).
But fans and the media flip flop. That's why Bellingham was a genius when he had two goal involvements in the game RM won, and now he's a joke after a game they lost and he was invisible.
Media controls the narrative. The important thing is not to flip flop. When Bellingham had a better game than Pedri, it didn't make me think Bellingham was better or doubt myself, as I knew normal service would resume in future and Pedri and Barca would win the next game, or the game after.
Barca will win some games, Real will win some. Some games Pedri will outshine Bellend, the odd game Bellend will outshine Pedri.
But the sign of a football novice is changing your mind based on one encounter, or gloating about Bellingham having a good Clasico when he could easily be garbage in the next (as happened here).
In general, I don't rate Bellingham. Real Madrid are a strong team and he's still a 'decent' player, so it's natural that he will have some 'good' games and pad his stats. But in general, in the big games, and being substantial across a season - I don't rate him.
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Maradona37
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Yeah. He's very protected by the media and is never criticised for his all-round game, but then he scores against a weaker team and he's a god again.
People thinking he has a god given right to be in the squad and even team for England at the World Cup because he's 'Jude fucking Bellingham' - like his reputation or PR counts for anything when Argentina or Spain are running rings round him.
His PR is amazing, but the pitch doesn't lie. It's the ultimate truth teller. You can't fake your abilities there like you can in the media or with hype. PR doesn't give him a great first touch or ability to control a game. PR doesn't win games.
You even see it in this thread - the amnesia and 'haahah he's so good, I told you so so you clueless cunts' displayed by El Gato, Tempt and Rassvet when he scores a goal after weeks of crap performances.
Then you have the opposite - guys like Neymar who were amazing in their prime, and is likely the second most talented player of his generation after Messi, and is seen as 'the most overrated player of his generation' by some, is hated, and cannot get praise from some bitter people to save his fucking life - ironically probably some of the same ones praising the infinitely less talented 'Jude' for the absolute bare minimum.
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soul24rage
Senior Member
Good player born in the wrong era.
Maradona37
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Yes. He and Bruno Fernandes are 90s and 00s kick and run 100mph PL type of players. They don't have the good fortune Gerrard and Lampard had to be born into the era that suited their style. They'll continue to be exposed by the current era, in the same way Gerrard would be if he was playing now, as he would get pressed relentlessly and lose the ball constantly.
Horatio
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soul24rage
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Horatio
You're welcome
Maradona37
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'He's him' must be the most embarrassing, cringeworthy, modern fan phrasing I have heard for a long time. I think it originated in basketball so it's another example of American sports and American sports fans infecting football. Kinda like when people compare Ronaldo to 'Brady' or 'Lebron', like most of us Europeans know anything about those two.
That or 'tekkers'. Nah in fact that is harsh - 'he's him' sounds much more pathetic.
Temptation
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Maradona37
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I actually opened that, tempt.
You know, the masculine, dignified thing to do would be to say to Horatio 'yes man, you are right, I vastly overrated Bellingham and shouldn't have done so, he's a decent player but I went overboard because of his fame and hype off the pitch. Fair play'.
That's what a real man would say. Acknowledge he is wrong.
But you instead, in your usual cowardly, can't ever admit defeat fashion, decided to poke fun at Horatio (and likely me by extension if I am reading that right and what you're implying) by claiming some irrelevant bollocks to the topic about Horatio having alts. A final, desperate, failure of an attempt to save face and deflect from you getting yet another football topic wrong.
It didn't work.
You know, the masculine, dignified thing to do would be to say to Horatio 'yes man, you are right, I vastly overrated Bellingham and shouldn't have done so, he's a decent player but I went overboard because of his fame and hype off the pitch. Fair play'.
That's what a real man would say. Acknowledge he is wrong.
But you instead, in your usual cowardly, can't ever admit defeat fashion, decided to poke fun at Horatio (and likely me by extension if I am reading that right and what you're implying) by claiming some irrelevant bollocks to the topic about Horatio having alts. A final, desperate, failure of an attempt to save face and deflect from you getting yet another football topic wrong.
It didn't work.
Rassvet
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Bellingham is like the midwit meme.
Casuals hype him for goals and aura, the middle is pseudo experts discredit him for being English and not being silky/technical enough.
Then the right is people who actually know ball and realize he's one of the best, most decisive, and most influential players in the world.
Casuals hype him for goals and aura, the middle is pseudo experts discredit him for being English and not being silky/technical enough.
Then the right is people who actually know ball and realize he's one of the best, most decisive, and most influential players in the world.
GloryHunter 007
Emotionally exhausted/Morally bankrupt
so if I gloryhunt RM last 5-6 years and think he's so overrated lately, I am automatically clueless?
Maradona37
Well-known member
Very presumptuous of you to consider yourself the people who 'know ball' (another American way of talking you're so famous for).
You know, given you are clueless and have never played the game, ever.
Those posts I made above are beyond your capacity. Like I said, the pitch is the ultimate truth teller, and he's much worse on it than he is in the press. The media hype won't improve his first touch or ability to control a game.
You know, given you are clueless and have never played the game, ever.
Those posts I made above are beyond your capacity. Like I said, the pitch is the ultimate truth teller, and he's much worse on it than he is in the press. The media hype won't improve his first touch or ability to control a game.
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