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Temptation

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Current Lewandowski has no chance of competing with Eto'o or Messi either physically. Messi was so much faster and prime Eto'o was the total package.
RL9 has always been known for his strength and physicality. You should see what his nickname was at Bayern and Dortmund. You should see what he did to Prime Kompany who was one of the strongest players in the game. He's much stronger and bigger than Messi and Eto'o. It's not even close.

Only players like Van Dijk and Lukaku were stronger than RL9.

Alves was more physical than Kounde. The only stronger player in the current side than a Barcelona equivalent in terms of speed, intensity is Raphinha vs Villa on the LW. Everywhere else that side was stronger, with more stamina, more intensity everywhere you looked. That's before you enter the technical side of things. Just looking at duels, intensity, speed of play.
That supports my point even more. 👍🏻
 

serghei

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RL9 has always been known for his strength and physicality. You should see what his nickname was at Bayern and Dortmund. You should see what he did to Prime Kompany who was one of the strongest players in the game. He's much stronger than Messi and Eto'o. It's not even close.

Only players like Van Dijk and Lukaku were stronger than RL9.


That supports my point even more. 👍🏻

Messi was much faster than any version of Lewandowski, let alone the oldie we have today. It's always been between size (as in height mostly) vs speed. Messi at pace was devastating. And he had the acceleration and explosion to just burst into pace from standing position.

Physically, there's no player you would ever take ahead of Messi, because speed and acceleration is the most vital attribute there is in football. And Messi was the most devastating player at this. Football is not boxing, by physicality, I mean speed and intensity first and foremost.

If you had to choose between Messi vs Lewandowski, you'd choose Messi's pace and explosion 10 out of 10 times, over Lewa's height and bigger frame advantage.
 

Temptation

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Messi was much faster than any version of Lewandowski, let alone the oldie we have today. It's always been between size (as in height mostly) vs speed. Messi at pace was devastating. And he had the acceleration and explosion to just burst into pace from standing position.

Physically, there's no player you would ever take ahead of Messi, because speed and acceleration is the most vital attribute there is in football. And Messi was the most devastating player at this. Football is not boxing, by physicality, I mean speed and intensity first and foremost.

If you had to choose between Messi vs Lewandowski, you'd choose Messi's pace and explosion 10 out of 10 times, over Lewa's height and bigger frame advantage.
We aren't talking about pace and Lewandowski probably had a higher recorded top speed in his pomp.

Physically Lewandowski is much stronger and bigger which was the question here.

And there are a huge number of players that are quicker than Messi. He's not the best in terms of speed and acceleration either. I think you've forgotten all the amazing athletes in the game.
 

serghei

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We aren't talking about pace and Lewandowski probably had a higher recorded top speed in his pomp.

Physically Lewandowski is much stronger and bigger which was the question here.

And there are a huge number of players that are quicker than Messi. He's not the best in terms of speed and acceleration either.

What are you talking about. One of the fastest players in his prime over the first 10m. Far more agile and fast than Lewandowski. Shorter build, low center of gravity, he could accelerate quicker than almost any player I've seen.

Those recorded top speeds are a joke. They're recorded after some long sprints, that happen very rarely in a match. Of course over long distances the guy with the longer legs will have an advantage, but in football those type of sprints rarely happen. You rarely are in a position to triger 40-50m sprints.
 

Temptation

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What are you talking about. One of the fastest players in his prime over the first 10m. Far more agile and fast than Lewandowski. Shorter build, low center of gravity, he could accelerate quicker than almost any player I've seen.
You haven't seen many players then.

Mbappe, Davies, Adama, Robben all have better acceleration (and pace) than Messi.

The likes of Kaka and Bale were far better athletes with explosive pace, strength, size and acceleration.
 

serghei

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You haven't seen many players then.

Mbappe, Davies, Adama, Robben all have better acceleration (and pace) than Messi.

The likes of Kaka and Bale were far better athletes with explosive pace, strength, size and acceleration.

Prime Messi in the first 10m over anyone.
 

Windhook

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Most of Italian Serie A clubs are running this Yugoslavian player scam that nobody is buying nowadays.

Should focus on youth development, instead of recruiting cheap ass kids from the Balkans. That's why Italian NT is basking in the shadows.
 

serghei

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And hes quicker with the ball than without it.

No doubt. And the balance. Ability to ride challenges and keep said balance, changes of directions at full pace, all of those make Messi the deadliest player to face running at you on the ball.

His physical qualities allowed him to pass players, any player 1 vs 1, and then once he got going at full tilt, any dribbled opponent was almost always out from the action. Almost no situations where Messi drops somebody and then that player somehow regains the position by outpacing Messi from behind.
 

khaled_a_d

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They do in my book. Raphinha is a physical demon by comparison with the other players we have, most of which are substandard in terms of physicality. In an EPL side he wouldn't be such a standout physically.

Ferran and Pedri absolutely lack pace and intensity.

Pedri absolutely doesn't lack intensity, whatsoever, like it this is a total bs. He is the total opposite of that. It is the same bs that was said about Xavi in Rijkaard days. He also has very good speed for a midfielder.

Torres doesn't lack either, he isn't a standout but he doesn't lack anything in terms of physicality. Sort of an "above average " in every category but not great in one of them.
 

Windhook

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Pace and agility are different attributes. The players mentioned above have agility and in some cases magic like Zidane and Iniesta.
 

Gnidrologist

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Physically, there's no player you would ever take ahead of Messi, because speed and acceleration is the most vital attribute there is in football. And Messi was the most devastating player at this. Football is not boxing, by physicality, I mean speed and intensity first and foremost.
Stop responding to the poopjeet. He's just provoking with another session of stinking up threads as if was in the cow shit eating festival in Bangalore.
Messi was "faster" not because top speed, which is meaningless, but because of the 99 in agility and acceleration, which are stats that matter in what we consider into pace metrics in football context.
And you are also omitting his strength. Many people associate strength with bulkiness and height, which is ignorant. Strength has nothing to do with either. Messi was way stronger than even Lewandowsky in his prime, let alone now. His low gravity center and short and super fast legs helped, of course, but he also was rarely pushed to the ground by large and bulky defenders, even, when challenged with direct physical pressure. It was almost impossible to push him down or pressure him off the ball, he just kept on going leaving a trail of fumbling and tumbling defenders. Remember those "Messi never dives" comps. He did it all his career. He was sturdy as fuck and showed that even recently in at 35 in the WC. Only way to stop him is kicking his legs, which is not the case with tall, lanky players like Lewi. Muscles and sixpack doesn't help that. Leg strength and exceptional balance does. Kounde would be our strongest player, if believed poopster, but he is actually weak as fuck on legs, constantly tripping all over himself and being pushed around, because bodybuilders suck at this.
 
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