Hans-Dieter Flick

Is it me, or our entire backline looks slower?
Balde and Araujo can barely catch anyone anymore, Kounde looks slower than past years too. It is a bit weird

Yea noticed that too, something is very off, idk what happened over the summer

FCBfan22 said:

Also, our CB choices this season are:

Ronald "Athletic donkey" Araujo
Eric "Small man syndrome" Garcia
Pau "Greener than lettuce" Cubarsi
Andreas "Vermaelen reincarnated" Christensen

I hope this paints a picture how important Inigo Martinez was. Also, if it wasn't for Joan Garcia's early season heroics, we would be standing in even deeper shit. We need an experienced CB and a fullback this winter if we want to save this season.

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The defence also needed to be reinforced with Inigo there.

Even when he was there it was clear we needed a top level CB and two new fullbacks. That was clear as day even at end of a successful last season.

Without him it’s just lol.

Would sell that entire defense minus Eric and Cubarsi (who still has time on his side because of how young he is).

The rest of them are a lost cause. The sooner this fanbase accepts the better because the delusional level of hype players get at this club is hilarious.

Loki said:

According to Uefa, we ran 105 km today. In comparison, we ran 125 km in 90 min against Bayern last seaosn. It's not a tactical problem, but a physical one. WIthout intensity and running, you can't win. It's that simple. It's not about individual players or the tactic, it's about the physical state of the team. It's like night and day to last season.

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Shocking information. This sounds like amigos era. Lazy as fuck. One season and we think we are old Messi and amigos level. Please.

jamrock said:

Yea noticed that too, something is very off, idk what happened over the summer

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Ibiza summer took it's toll

Yamal has played better after getting rid of the GF. She was bad luck.

jamrock said:

Yea noticed that too, something is very off, idk what happened over the summer

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Could be fatigue, complacency, depth etc. There has to be a reason for the huge drop off in form this season compared to last. We don't look like the same team.

jairzinho said:

Could be fatigue, complacency, depth etc. There has to be a reason for the huge drop off in form this season compared to last. We don't look like the same team.

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The thing is, we don't even look like a football team at first level or CL level. Seriously, I saw today Qarabag vs Chelsea and Qarabag would run us to the ground. Lmao. Physical state of this club is Europe league level. Max.

Chelsea away will be brutal match.

What did they do in summer? Nothing? What was the preparation? Seriously??

The only way this club gets better is through signings - no Raphinha, Garcia, Christensen etc...is going to save this team.

Laporta either needs to 1) make some signings to allow Flick to employ his football style and have some squad depth or 2) Get rid of Flick and try to bring in a manager who can make this squad work.

Point 2 is the riskier options because there is no guarantee you will get a better manager than Flick in this market and it's very unlikely any manager will make good of these dumbass defenders who can't even do basics right. You can play a lower defense line and secure the goal at closer proximity, but at the end of the day, you are still asking donkeys who don' know how to defend to defend.

Either way, new blood is needed. The current team is an absolute disaster.

This team needs new players. I don't think manager changes much.

The players were needed in the summer tho. Real for the signings they needed, Barca didn't

This is a combination of so many factors. Physical condition of the team is the primary one imo. Second is lack of transfers, third one is culture of the club. A little success and the players, fans and club get carried away. La Masia sucks at the moment. Only Lamine is worth the hype. Stop producing these soft players. Start producing stronger,physical players. Fourth is Laporta and Deco. They can blame the players, coach etc but the buck should stop with them. Laporta has to find funds and Deco has to find the right players for the right price. A tall order indeed but Laporta was stupid enough to say there are no transition seasons in Barca.
As for those who say that we should play deep, we already did that with Xavi. We had a mixed bag with results sometimes going our way but the performances were atrocious. The defence was shaky back then too, especially in the CL.

Flick: “We want to play according to our DNA”

Hansi Flick on the draw:

“Today we saw Champions League football. Brugge did very well — we had no pressure on the ball in midfield and didn’t win our duels. That makes it difficult for the back line to defend against such fast players. We have to work on that, analyze everything. We’ll talk with the players. A 3–3 draw isn’t the best result for us. The positive thing is that we came back after every goal, but we have to talk about this game.”

… on a possible defensive adjustment, since the back four is increasingly being played through and the offside trap is working less often:
“We could do it in a way where we barricade ourselves at the back and defend in the final third. Or we keep following our path, stick to our philosophy, and do things better. Without intensity, you have no chance in the Champions League. Every team is capable of playing and transitioning very quickly. Brugge did that very well — just as we expected and told the players. If you look at the first goal: last season, for me, that would have been clearly one or two meters offside, 100 percent. We’re struggling a bit there, lacking confidence. Of course, we can talk now about changing everything, but I’m not that kind of coach — we want to play according to our DNA. We don’t want to defend deep and win 1–0 through counterattacks. We are Barça — our playing style is to be active and intense, with and without the ball. That’s something we’re currently missing at times. It’s not about the philosophy.”

MonteCuler said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986205217369825315

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I find it endlessly annoying how Flick has convinced himself (and some fans along with him) that our high line is what allows us to score many goals.

Theoretically it is understandable the thought that it allows us to win the ball high and launch a quick direct counter with a few passes. But if you look at the goals we score, it is simply very difficult to make this connection in any convincing way.

And how does his cherished offside trap figure in this supposed connection? If it works, the ball gets returned to us as a free kick after a delay. Is that supposed to let us catch the opponent off guard?

To make this argument in a way that supposes the three goals we scored as a corollary to the three we conceded, to see it as two sides of the same coin, is delusional.

Fati_Future_BallonDor said:

Flick: “We want to play according to our DNA”

Hansi Flick on the draw:

“Today we saw Champions League football. Brugge did very well — we had no pressure on the ball in midfield and didn’t win our duels. That makes it difficult for the back line to defend against such fast players. We have to work on that, analyze everything. We’ll talk with the players. A 3–3 draw isn’t the best result for us. The positive thing is that we came back after every goal, but we have to talk about this game.”

… on a possible defensive adjustment, since the back four is increasingly being played through and the offside trap is working less often:
“We could do it in a way where we barricade ourselves at the back and defend in the final third. Or we keep following our path, stick to our philosophy, and do things better. Without intensity, you have no chance in the Champions League. Every team is capable of playing and transitioning very quickly. Brugge did that very well — just as we expected and told the players. If you look at the first goal: last season, for me, that would have been clearly one or two meters offside, 100 percent. We’re struggling a bit there, lacking confidence. Of course, we can talk now about changing everything, but I’m not that kind of coach — we want to play according to our DNA. We don’t want to defend deep and win 1–0 through counterattacks. We are Barça — our playing style is to be active and intense, with and without the ball. That’s something we’re currently missing at times. It’s not about the philosophy.”

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I find it endlessly annoying how Flick has convinced himself (and some fans along with him) that our high line is what allows us to score many goals.

Theoretically it is understandable the thought that it allows us to win the ball high and launch a quick direct counter with a few passes. But if you look at the goals we score, it is simply very difficult to make this connection in any convincing way.

And how does his cherished offside trap figure in this supposed connection? If it works, the ball gets returned to us as a free kick after a delay. Is that supposed to let us catch the opponent off guard?

To make this argument in a way that supposes the three goals we scored as a corollary to the three we conceded, to see it as two sides of the same coin, is delusional.
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I find Flick to be honest and straight forward. Nothing wrong said there. Xavi already played that shitty style of football and he didn't set the world on fire. First of all to play that deeper line of defence you need a back line that actually knows how to defend and won't crumble under pressure . This squad was built for attacking football, not park the bus shit.
Also Laporta has to deliver the right players if he wants attacking and winning football. The current squad needs upgrades badly.

why do we need to either go full kamikaze or low block double decker. this is a strawman by flick. no one expects barca to low block defense, we will fail. what about some balance? I know, its an extremist proposition...

JohnN said:

why do we need to either go full kamikaze or low block double decker. this is a strawman by flick. no one expects barca to low block defense, we will fail. what about some balance? I know, its an extremist proposition...

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One, it's Flicks style. I don't think he even knows how to coach a more cautious style of play.
Two, our players are so thick they probably would get confused. I think he's trying to keep it as simple as possible.
If you looked at the team under Xavi, they looked confused half of the time and Xavi would have meltdowns when they couldn't follow instructions.