Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?

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Don Juan Laporta Estruch

Don Juan Laporta Estruch

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Some look at this performance and question Don Hansi's managerial ability. I look at it, and it makes me appreciate him even more.

Our defenders and goalkeepers ( bar Joan Garcia ) range from okay to pretty damn bad. Yet, last season Herr Flick managed to dominate La Liga, pick up a domestic treble and smack Madrid 6 times with their referees doing their best to help them. ALL WITH THAT DEFENSE AND GOALKEEPER.

Name me any other manager in the world who would even come close to doing that with the defenders and goalkeepers we had on board last season? When you factor in that he was seconds away from reaching our first UCL final in 10 years and that we were by far the most entertaining team to watch in the world, Don Hansi was by a country mile the best coach in Europe last season.

If we are being realistic, any other manager in Europe would have us competing with Atleti for 2nd place. We don't really have any business competing for any of the trophies but with Flick doing most of the heavy lifting we are competing for them all.

I know football fans have very short memories, but some people really need to be careful what they wish for.
 
serghei

serghei

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Birdy said:
Let me explain it to you with a good example

Frenkie De Jong at Ajax showed world-class potential.

But he never lived up to it at Barca.

The opposites of what the likes of Oliseh and Isak did
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Ah, I see, you are speaking about natural talent. And presenting it as world class potential.
 
Birdy

Birdy

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Temptation said:
But both Olise and Eze were better for Palace than Raphinha was for Leeds. Won't even talk about Isak who was simply and objectively world class at all aspects of the game at Newcastle. Their technical ability was levels above.
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Really elementary knowledge to anyone having even occasionally watching EPL the last 5 years
Yet, we have opinionated dudes here, who never watch EPL, and wanna have opinions about Raphina's level at Leeds
:lol:
 
Birdy

Birdy

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serghei said:
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Ah, I see, you are speaking about natural talent. And presenting it as world class potential.
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No, it's more than that.
There is a huge % of footballers out there who have just natural talent.

This is your last card?
You pretend you don't understand what world class potential is, so that you don't formally receive your L?
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
serghei said:
Only if you devalue other attributes compared to talent.
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You are getting tiresome really, because you refuse to admit like a man that you took an L in the argument.

It's natural talent, plus decision making, plus tactical understanding of the game, plus leadership, plus personality.
All the traits that make a player world-class

The fact that it is only potential is because this happens at a lower stage (team, league, competition, etc.)

When what happens there repeats itself at the big stage, the player is not anymore 'of WC potential', he is WC.
 
serghei

serghei

Senior Member
I didn't took any L :lol:. Raphinha looked a mental fit beast at Leeds and he became even more of that at Barcelona. Couldn't give a shit he has lesser talent than Olise. Talent is not all a player is about.

Raphinha I think tied the record for most goal contributions in a CL season. Did Olise get to that level yet? No.
 
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Temptation

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serghei said:
Only if you devalue other attributes compared to talent.
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Your talent, technical ability and effectiveness is what makes you a world class prospect.

Physical attributes can be very useful in a well established system if the manager uses it well. Klopp has used such players very well for his pressing system. But did anyone call Wijnaldum and Henderson world class? No they didn't.

Moussa Sissoko was a monster physically but people called him a clogger.

The reason people called Raphinha world class last season was because of his goals and assists. The work rate was a huge positive but work rate alone can never make you world class.

Why do you think Football fans talk about inferior players doing the dirty work for the real superstars? Scoring goals and creating chances is tougher than pressing well.
 
Devils

Devils

Senior Member
Don Juan Laporta Estruch said:
Some look at this performance and question Don Hansi's managerial ability. I look at it, and it makes me appreciate him even more.

Our defenders and goalkeepers ( bar Joan Garcia ) range from okay to pretty damn bad. Yet, last season Herr Flick managed to dominate La Liga, pick up a domestic treble and smack Madrid 6 times with their referees doing their best to help them. ALL WITH THAT DEFENSE AND GOALKEEPER.

Name me any other manager in the world who would even come close to doing that with the defenders and goalkeepers we had on board last season? When you factor in that he was seconds away from reaching our first UCL final in 10 years and that we were by far the most entertaining team to watch in the world, Don Hansi was by a country mile the best coach in Europe last season.

If we are being realistic, any other manager in Europe would have us competing with Atleti for 2nd place. We don't really have any business competing for any of the trophies but with Flick doing most of the heavy lifting we are competing for them all.

I know football fans have very short memories, but some people really need to be careful what they wish for.
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If only your boy Joan Laporta could have helped Hansi strengthen the defence instead of weakening it this summer.
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
serghei said:
I didn't took any L :lol:. Raphinha looked a mental fit beast at Leeds and he became even more of that at Barcelona. Couldn't give a shit he has lesser talent than Olise. Talent is not all a player is about.

Raphinha I think tied the record for most goal contributions in a CL season.
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He looked good at Leeds, nowhere near what we call world-class potential.
Oliseh had world-class potential at Palace. LEarn the difference

Of course you took an L.
Both you and Jamrock.
Trying to prove that Raphina is something that he isn't.
 
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Temptation

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serghei said:
Raphinha I think tied the record for most goal contributions in a CL season. Did Olise get to that level yet? No.
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Which is why people called him World Class last season.

Not because he worked hard and pressed well. That's a great thing but doesn't make you a World Class player.
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
Birdy said:
So what?
How does this prove Raphina is (or was at Leeds) world class?

You have trouble with basic argumentation it seems

AGAIN:
world-class players deliver world-class performances at any context and environment, like Yamal and Pedri do for us.

Raphina does not belong to this tier, because he is a system player. Top player, but system-dependent

The fact that he is our 3rd best player does not make his world-class
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Who da fuck said he was world class at Leeds dodo bird.

Your logic is big clubs showed interest in X player.

X player went to big club, so he's no world.

3 big clubs showed interest in raphinha, he went to big club and is now world class.

Using your dodo bird logic
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
Temptation said:
Which is why people called him World Class last season.

Not because he worked hard and pressed well. That's a great thing but doesn't make you a World Class player.
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I don't even understand what you're trying to argue here.

You used salah numbers to make him world class for years, certainly wasn't overall game for the last 2+ seasons.

But with raphinha it's different?

You're trying to argue two sides of a argument and because that's you're not making sense.

You used wirtz numbers to say he was WC at Leverkusen, so only went Liverpool players put up numbers they are WC for everyone else they need to play like prime Messi?
 
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