Hans-Dieter Flick
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Birdy
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Still not as better as your implied by writing 'Palace are 3rd'
Palace had (the last few years) wonderful players like Oliseh, Guehi, Eze, Mateta, Wharton, and others, whose potential was underutilized before Glasner by clowns such as Hogson
Before Glasner Palace were in the 14th-18th position tier of EPL.
Leeds were in the next lower tier 18th - 22nd
What you are trying to prove is merely unfounded
Birdy
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So what?
How does this prove Raphina is (or was at Leeds) world class?
You have trouble with basic argumentation it seems
AGAIN:
world-class players deliver world-class performances at any context and environment, like Yamal and Pedri do for us.
Raphina does not belong to this tier, because he is a system player. Top player, but system-dependent
The fact that he is our 3rd best player does not make his world-class
Temptation
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Raphinha was never close to World Class before last season.
He was just a very good player. Not a single person called him World Class before last season.
He was Leeds' best player and a left footed winger (which is much rarer than right footed wingers) which is why Barca and Arsenal wanted him.
But both Olise and Eze were better for Palace than Raphinha was for Leeds. Won't even talk about Isak who was simply and objectively world class at all aspects of the game at Newcastle. Their technical ability was levels above.
Raphinha was a beast physically with good ball striking ability but no one predicted him to do what he did last season. No one. The reason Raphinha wasn't rated as a world class talent before last season is because he's a winger who can't really dribble.
After last season, you have to say Raphinha is world class unless he doesn't repeat his form this season in which case it would just be a crazy purple patch season.
Regardless, Raphinha is now one of Barca's most important players easily.
He was just a very good player. Not a single person called him World Class before last season.
He was Leeds' best player and a left footed winger (which is much rarer than right footed wingers) which is why Barca and Arsenal wanted him.
But both Olise and Eze were better for Palace than Raphinha was for Leeds. Won't even talk about Isak who was simply and objectively world class at all aspects of the game at Newcastle. Their technical ability was levels above.
Raphinha was a beast physically with good ball striking ability but no one predicted him to do what he did last season. No one. The reason Raphinha wasn't rated as a world class talent before last season is because he's a winger who can't really dribble.
After last season, you have to say Raphinha is world class unless he doesn't repeat his form this season in which case it would just be a crazy purple patch season.
Regardless, Raphinha is now one of Barca's most important players easily.
serghei
Senior Member
The point is Olise played with better players than Raphinha did.
serghei
Senior Member
@Temptation, Olise is not world class even now lol. 
Neither was world class in their EPL days, just good players ready for a bigger challenge, that is all.
Olise found it at Bayern, Raphinha found it at Barcelona. And Isak at Liverpool for that matter.
Neither was world class in their EPL days, just good players ready for a bigger challenge, that is all.
Olise found it at Bayern, Raphinha found it at Barcelona. And Isak at Liverpool for that matter.
Temptation
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Raphinha at Leeds wasn't close to World Class. He was their best player and very good though. That's why big clubs wanted him (apart from the fact that he was a good left footed winger which is not that common today).
Infact Raphinha under Xavi wasn't close to World Class either. Many Barca fans wanted him sold before Flick arrived.
Last season was Raphinha's first World Class season. This is a fact.
This is a very popular and widely accepted opinion. He wasn't one of the best wingers in the world before last season.
Birdy
Senior Member
Olise played in a shit team under a shit manager, and his WC potential still shone so much that made Bayern pay 70m for him.
Simple as that
Olise is not world class even now lol.
Dude, stop embarrassing yourself.
It is clear you don't watch any football other than Barca.
Refrain from judging
Birdy
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Temptation
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Who said Olise was World Class at Palace?@Temptation, Olise is not world class even now lol.
Neither was world class in their EPL days, just good players ready for a bigger challenge, that is all.
He showed World Class potential. That's because of his incredible natural ability.
I disagree. Currently he's World Class at Bayern. He's incredibly talented and productive.
serghei
Senior Member
That's completely bullshit. World class potential
. The fuck does that even mean?Let's see him in CL. Didn't he play for Bayern vs us when Raphinha scored a hattrick?
He needs to do more. Very good player.
Temptation
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And has/had more natural talent and ability. It's pretty obvious when you watch him play.
But Raphinha is a physical beast who's exceptionally hardworking.
Temptation
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Doue is World Class Potential. Estevao is World Class Potential.World class potential
Garnacho was just a promising youngster with good potential. So is Mainoo.
That's the difference.
Birdy
Senior Member
That's completely bullshit. World class potential
Let me explain it to you with a good example
Frenkie De Jong at Ajax showed world-class potential.
But he never lived up to it at Barca.
The opposites of what the likes of Oliseh and Isak did
serghei
Senior Member
So? Physical beasts who offer end product and have exceptional workrate sounds like a pretty rare combination.
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