Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?

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Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
jamrock said:
We good on that front
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You forgot how RAphina played under Xavi, when all of us were cursing him?
Short memory...

There are players like Raphina that can shine when a coach plays them CORRECTLY in the right system, and there are players like Lamine and Pedri that will shine no matter the system and the coach.
Big difference

In any case, let's say Raphina belongs to the 'top tier' and not to 'world class tier'.
I have corrected your list with top tier players in parenthesis, and the difference is stark between Barca and the others:

Liverpool: Allison, VVD, salah, Isak, McAllister (Wirtz, Gravenberch, Konate)
5 WC, 8 in total

City: Rodri, haaland, Reijnders (Donnaruma, Gvardiol, Savinho, Doku, Foden)
3 WC, 8 in total

Arsenal: Saka, Rice (Zubimenti, Eze, Saliba, Calafiori, Havertz)
2 WC, 7 in total

Bayern: Kane, Olise (kimmich, Diaz, Musiala, Davies)
2 WC, 6 in total

Chelsea: Palmer, Caicedo, Enzo (Joao Pedro, Reece James, soon Estevao and Gittens here)
3 WC, 7 in total

Madrid: Courtois Mbappe, Vini, Bellingham (Tchouameni, Militao, Trent, Mastantuono)
4 WC, 8 in total

PSG: Mendes, vitinha, dembele (Doue, Kvara, Neves, Ruiz, Hakimi)
3 WC, 8 in total

Barca: Yamal, pedri, (raphinha, Joan Garcia, Rashford, FDJ)
2 WC, 6 in total

We are the lowest in WC players (together with Arsenal and Bayern), and the lowest in top players in total (together with Bayern)
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
Birdy said:
You forgot how RAphina played under Xavi, when all of us were cursing him?
Short memory...

There are players like Raphina that can shine when a coach plays them CORRECTLY in the right system, and there are players like Lamine and Pedri that will shine no matter the system and the coach.
Big difference

In any case, let's say Raphina belongs to the 'top tier' and not to 'world class tier'.
I have corrected your list with top tier players in parenthesis, and the difference is stark between Barca and the others:

Liverpool: Allison, VVD, salah, Isak, McAllister (Wirtz, Gravenberch, Konate)
5 WC, 8 in total

City: Rodri, haaland, Reijnders (Donnaruma, Gvardiol, Savinho, Doku, Foden)
3 WC, 8 in total

Arsenal: Saka, Rice (Zubimenti, Eze, Saliba, Calafiori, Havertz)
2 WC, 7 in total

Bayern: Kane, Olise (kimmich, Diaz, Musiala, Davies)
2 WC, 6 in total

Chelsea: Palmer, Caicedo, Enzo (Joao Pedro, Reece James, soon Estevao and Gittens here)
3 WC, 7 in total

Madrid: Courtois Mbappe, Vini, Bellingham (Tchouameni, Militao, Trent, Mastantuono)
4 WC, 8 in total

PSG: Mendes, vitinha, dembele (Doue, Kvara, Neves, Ruiz, Hakimi)
3 WC, 8 in total

Barca: Yamal, pedri, (raphinha, Joan Garcia, Rashford, FDJ)
2 WC, 6 in total

We are the lowest in WC players (together with Arsenal and Bayern), and the lowest in top players in total (together with Bayern)
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So it's your opinion that isak is WC but Raphinha isn't.

I would love to hear how you would explain that.
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
MonteCuler said:
Balde is injury prone and never plays big games

So, Kounde-Martin

Pretty much any team from top 5 leagues
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Probably can't named 5 better than that either 😂😂.

Balde plays enough, but we really need to figure out what's up with him, we need him to be fit at the business end of the season
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
jamrock said:
Challenge anyone to name 5 teams with two better fullback that us, DM me your info I'll send you $500.

PSG
Chelsea

Who else lol
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Plus all of these:

Arsenal: Timber and Calafiori
Madrid: Trent and Carreras
Bayern: Laimer and Davies

Even Spurs have Porro/Udogie. Not sure Kounde/Balde is better

The only two top teams that have problems in FBs are currently Liverpool (Frimpong/Kerkez) and City (kids like O Rially and Rico Lewis play)
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
jamrock said:
So it's your opinion that isak is WC but Raphinha isn't.

I would love to hear how you would explain that.
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I explained it already: Raphina sucked under Xavi for 2 years.
Coach's fault of course, but that sets apart WC from merely top players

Isak killed it at all levels he played so far.
If he does it again at Pool, he is certified WC
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
Birdy said:
Plus all of these:

Arsenal: Timber and Calafiori
Madrid: Trent and Carreras
Bayern: Laimer and Davies

Even Spurs have Porro/Udogie. Not sure Kounde/Balde is better

The only two top teams that have problems in FBs are currently Liverpool (Frimpong/Kerkez) and City (kids like O Rially and Rico Lewis play)
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What has Carreras done to be considered better than balde? 😂

2 times league winner balde, who played a important role in both those titles.

Same for calafiori

Spurs have better FB yea okay 😂😂.

Birdie you can't just be saying things to fit your opinions dude.
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
Birdy said:
I explained it already: Raphina sucked under Xavi for 2 years.
Coach's fault of course, but that sets apart WC from merely top players

Isak killed it at all levels he played so far.
If he does it again at Pool, he is certified WC
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Yea raphinha sucked in winning us directly 15 points in the title winning season

22 Goal contributions in 50 games, league title.

Season after that he was our best player
23 Goal contributions in 37 games.

You are literally the only person on the face of the planet who would say raphinha isn't currently WC, but I just wanted to understand your thought process to come to that point because I figured it would be found wanting, so said, so done.

Olise and isak are world class for 1 season of WC football and a few good seasons before that but raphinha isn't, come on birdy you can't make it that easy.
 
Richard.H

Richard.H

Senior Member
Birdy said:
Plus all of these:

Arsenal: Timber and Calafiori
Madrid: Trent and Carreras
Bayern: Laimer and Davies

Even Spurs have Porro/Udogie. Not sure Kounde/Balde is better

The only two top teams that have problems in FBs are currently Liverpool (Frimpong/Kerkez) and City (kids like O Rially and Rico Lewis play)
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Laimer and Davis FB combo is very underrated, only because not many people pay attention to Bundesliga. I think they are easily better than Balde-Kounde too, but that still doesn't take away the fact that is very important in modern football: Availability.

Availability is just as important as your skills. You have to be some historical level talent f you're barely playing 60-70 % of the matches for your club.
 
Iniesta Ultra

Iniesta Ultra

Senior Member
gasgas said:
Consider the midfield 3 like a triple pivot of sorts, rotating positions like PSG do with Neves- Pedri and Vitinha.

I am advocating killing the #10 position and tru #9 position because we got bums in there. I think it better we shore up our midfield solidity
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PSG played 3-2-5 against Lille today but they also drew.
 
FCBfan22

FCBfan22

Senior Member
There is a time when the players and the coach need to have a look at themselves. And that time is today.

PSG and Sevilla were wake-up calls. Especially Sevilla. Sort it out, you have some time now.
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
Richard.H said:
Laimer and Davis FB combo is very underrated, only because not many people pay attention to Bundesliga. I think they are easily better than Balde-Kounde too, but that still doesn't take away the fact that is very important in modern football: Availability.

Availability is just as important as your skills. You have to be some historical level talent f you're barely playing 60-70 % of the matches for your club.
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True

Which makes it even worse for Kounde-Balde starting FB pair, since at least Balde is not available half of the time
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
jamrock said:
Yea raphinha sucked in winning us directly 15 points in the title winning season

22 Goal contributions in 50 games, league title.

Season after that he was our best player
23 Goal contributions in 37 games.

You are literally the only person on the face of the planet who would say raphinha isn't currently WC, but I just wanted to understand your thought process to come to that point because I figured it would be found wanting, so said, so done.

Olise and isak are world class for 1 season of WC football and a few good seasons before that but raphinha isn't, come on birdy you can't make it that easy.
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Raphina sucked under Xavi despite any goal contribution. He looked like a lost child out on the touchline, unable to dribble, unable to do what the braindead Xavi thought he could
Everyone remembers, everyone impartial will confirm
Stop trying to push narratives and agendas.
Only Flick found how to unlock Raphina's potential

Then again, I know you don't give a shit or watch any minute of football outside the very big clubs.
Yet, Olise and Isak were already evident that they are WC in the making when they were playing at Palace and Sociedad respectively. That made bigger clubs fork out the likes of 60 and 70m to get them.

That's called shrewd transfer policy, that's called anticipation and being in advance of the curve.
That's called having proper SD and Sdepartments
What we don't have under the fat bozo
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
jamrock said:
What has Carreras done to be considered better than balde? 😂

2 times league winner balde, who played a important role in both those titles.

Same for calafiori

Spurs have better FB yea okay 😂😂.

Birdie you can't just be saying things to fit your opinions dude.
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Carreras is not better than Balde, but the pair Trent-Carreras might be better than the pair Kounde-Balde

You also have to take into account availability (See above)
We are not really Kounde-Balde at FB, but more like Kounde-half Balde half Martin
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
Birdy said:
Raphina sucked under Xavi despite any goal contribution. He looked like a lost child out on the touchline, unable to dribble, unable to do what the braindead Xavi thought he could
Everyone remembers, everyone impartial will confirm
Stop trying to push narratives and agendas.
Only Flick found how to unlock Raphina's potential

Then again, I know you don't give a shit or watch any minute of football outside the very big clubs.
Yet, Olise and Isak were already evident that they are WC in the making when they were playing at Palace and Sociedad respectively. That made bigger clubs fork out the likes of 60 and 70m to get them.

That's called shrewd transfer policy, that's called anticipation and being in advance of the curve.
That's called having proper SD and Sdepartments
What we don't have under the fat bozo
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Okay birdy on a island, raphinha sucked and isn't world class, smh.

Weighed and found wanting as tends to be the case.
 
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