17 - Marc Casadó

serghei said:

How many games did Casado start once De Jong was fit after he came back? Besides if we sell Casado is because Flick gives the green light. You can relax, we won't sell any players without Flick's blessing.

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Yeah this.

Like with Woj, the moment Frenkie was fit, Flick preferred to work through the match fitness of Frenkie and Woj to reach their best version, rather than stick with the form of Pena and Casado.

Maybe it was the right call. It probably was because Frenkie ended the season as our best pivot.

But on the other hand, Flick should have rotated more as when Casado did re-enter things, he had lost form and confidence.

Porque said:

Yeah this.

Like with Woj, the moment Frenkie was fit, Flick preferred to work through the match fitness of Frenkie and Woj to reach their best version, rather than stick with the form of Pena and Casado.

Maybe it was the right call. It probably was because Frenkie ended the season as our best pivot.

But on the other hand, Flick should have rotated more as when Casado did re-enter things, he had lost form and confidence.

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It is because frenkie is world class if fit and in form. It is hard to find his form, in contrast to casado, he can reach his form easily but if the two are competing in their best form frenkie is very much better.

Frenkie is better at some things and worse at others. His main asset is ball retention/circulation. He cannot makes between the lines or key forward passes, if his life depended on it and he is nowhere to be seen in defense. Casado may have made blunders, but he's relentless in pressing and great tackler. And he makes instant killer passes of various ranges instead of pondering on the ball endlessly. Two different profiles. In some games or moments DJ is better, mostly when we want to control possession. When more assertive actions are needed, Casado is better.

What are these numbers I'm seeing? 30m? 15m? I'm not a vocal critic of Deco but selling Casado anything near that money is definitely sackable. If you look at the money players with not even half of Casado's ability go, that would be absolute demonstration of incompetence and unprofessionalism when it comes to making deals. Ideally he should stay, but if he leaves we need to get good money. This was our starting midfielder for half of last season, in which we won the domestic treble and were among the best teams in Europe.

I don't see it as sackable at all. So far, the club is listening to offers most likely. It means we can be open to move Casado if the right offer comes and if the player likes the offer as well. Not much more in it than this.

If the club needs money to register players... then Casado is above likes of Fermin and Torres on the players we can move list, for all the right reasons. That's because Stegen and Araujo are hardest to move. It's not rocket science, if we decide to move Casado it's because we need to. Not because someone in the club has a thing with Casado. We moved already players we don't count on. Pau, I hear Fort is close, Ansu, Torre. Casado is simply first in line in case we need another sale.

Remember that Flick asked particularly for a LW back-up. So Rashford coming is his desire being covered by the club. No one else's. But we can all agree that we needed a good back-up for Raph and Yamal. Ansu and Pau were not up to par at all for our ambitions.

Obviously the club would love to move Stegen and get rid of his wages. Even for free. It's not Deco's fault that nobody wants Stegen. It is another situation where you can't really point fingers to blame X or Y.

If we sell Casado for 15m with no good buyback for us, and he hits it big, then the club's decision makers will end up being blamed for it, as they should. But I doubt we sell Casado for this low unless there is also a reasonably low buyback option for us.

Bottom line, I don't think Casado gets sold unless we have to. He's not a player we want to get rid of. The only player the club is desperate to move at this moment in time is Stegen, no one else. We already moved what needs to be moved and we're left with players who showed they can contribute except for one.

There's the case of Araujo, but it seems the club and Flick is willing to give him one last chance to prove himself.

serghei said:

I don't see it as sackable at all. So far, the club is listening to offers most likely. It means we can be open to move Casado if the right offer comes and if the player likes the offer as well. Not much more in it than this.

If the club needs money to register players... then Casado is above likes of Fermin and Torres on the players we can move list, for all the right reasons. That's because Stegen and Araujo are hardest to move. It's not rocket science, if we decide to move Casado it's because we need to. Not because someone in the club has a thing with Casado. We moved already players we don't count on. Pau, I hear Fort is close, Ansu, Torre. Casado is simply first in line in case we need another sale.

Remember that Flick asked particularly for a LW back-up. So Rashford coming is his desire being covered by the club. No one else's. But we can all agree that we needed a good back-up for Raph and Yamal. Ansu and Pau were not up to par at all for our ambitions.

Obviously the club would love to move Stegen and get rid of his wages. Even for free. It's not Deco's fault that nobody wants Stegen. It is another situation where you can't really point fingers to blame X or Y.

If we sell Casado for 15m with no good buyback for us, and he hits it big, then the club's decision makers will end up being blamed for it, as they should. But I doubt we sell Casado for this low unless there is also a reasonably low buyback option for us

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I would be okay with selling him but for 60-70 milion. 30 milion is an absolute joke. It's true midifeld is a little packed and someone will eventually have to go. But we are not desperate to sell right now, to let players go for half of their value.

MonteCuler said:

I would be okay with selling him but for 60-70 milion. 30 milion is an absolute joke. It's true midifeld is a little packed and someone will eventually have to go. But we are not desperate to sell right now, to let players go for half of their value.

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Nobody would touch Casado for 60-70m. Come on. Only teams who could pay this much are EPL sides, and he'd be toast in that league in a defensive position. They know it, so we have no buyer at that price point.

Our valuation of him is irrelevant. I rate him personally at 35-40m at best. But it's irrelevant if no one would pay it. And I can see the reasons lower level EPL sides won't take a player of his style at that price point. He's a 1.72m player, with weak phisique, in a physical league where you have end to end football and not much care for possession... not a good fit. Sorry.

AM: Olmo/Fermin
CM: Pedri/Frenkie/Gavi
DM: Casado/Bernal

Bernal coming off ACL may as well erase him.
Frenkie can play DM but not defensive type.
Gavi off a down year.
Olmo always hurt.

I think it might be a good idea to hold onto Casado when you think about it considering he is free

If we were planning to sell Casado then we might have considered taking Tomas or Podri on the tour.

Really much ado about nothing. Mediots need to get clicks/sell papers when nothing is going on. It was also said we will listen to offers above 30m which is not the same as saying we will actually sell Casado for that price. We should listen to offers to all the players in current squad except Lamine and Pedri. Everyone has his price.

I kind of agree with @serghei though that Casado is currently more around a 40m (than a 60-70m figure I've seen) player on the market and more valuable to us than other teams. And that's fair valuation because he's not exactly seen as a starter in Flick's eyes. Bernal started ahead of him last season before getting injured and Frenkie then got his spot when he got back to full fitness and form.

Don't expect any midfielder to leave this summer. Having depth is useful (especially considering they all have/had injury history) and not often we can say that about any position. And I'm not sure selling Casado would allow us to sign a quality defender. Thebes would surely find a way to prevent that. So better to keep what we have.

That said within next 12-24 months one of the midfielders will very likely leave to finance a striker signing. But when that will happen we should sell from a position of strength (probably for the first time ever), not just of the players currently in the first team but also upcoming youngsters who could eventually push some of the current first teamers out in coming years. So when the club will decide to sell (whichever player it will be) it should be under our conditions. No more lowballing offers and selling players far below their value because we want to get rid off them.

Messi983 said:

Really much ado about nothing. Mediots need to get clicks/sell papers when nothing is going on. It was also said we will listen to offers above 30m which is not the same as saying we will actually sell Casado for that price. We should listen to offers to all the players in current squad except Lamine and Pedri. Everyone has his price.

I kind of agree with @serghei though that Casado is currently more around a 40m (than a 60-70m figure I've seen) player on the market and more valuable to us than other teams. And that's fair valuation because he's not exactly seen as a starter in Flick's eyes. Bernal started ahead of him last season before getting injured and Frenkie then got his spot when he got back to full fitness and form.

Don't expect any midfielder to leave this summer. Having depth is useful (especially considering they all have/had injury history) and not often we can say that about any position. And I'm not sure selling Casado would allow us to sign a quality defender. Thebes would surely find a way to prevent that. So better to keep what we have.

That said within next 12-24 months one of the midfielders will very likely leave to finance a striker signing. But when that will happen we should sell from a position of strength (probably for the first time ever), not just of the players currently in the first team but also upcoming youngsters who could eventually push some of the current first teamers out in coming years. So when the club will decide to sell (whichever player it will be) it should be under our conditions. No more lowballing offers and selling players far below their value because we want to get rid off them.

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Good post.

He is linked with Spurs today.

It is probably made up by the CataBoys, but at the same time it is a logical rumour as it is a London based CL side that Casado would very feasibly walk into their 11 and setup.

Considering what they consistently pay for very average players too, a transfer fee of 40m pounds, would and should be our sale point.

Lastly, CataBoys also say Casado has been told that he will be a squad player and will not feature much this season. Take that as you will. Ball is seemingly in his court, but he should know more than anyone that a key injury and you are straight back in a shot with the 11.

PS: CataBoys will be the new name for the Catalan soy rags going forward.

Spurs who just signed Joao Palhinha? Yeah, total BS if you ask me.

Selling him for peanuts after last season would be criminal. Should get at least another one to see where his potential lies. Might become key asset in the future.
What's the gain of selling best prospects, when bunch of aging/injury prone/mediocre players stay? To buy another mediocrity that we will soon want out? Or it's all about reaching ever elusive 1:1?

Bernal is nowhere near match fit anyway. Selling him would mean we rely on Gavi and Fermin as CM backups which I'm not sure of. It's not like Casado's value will decrease in 4-12 months.