Champions League 2024-25

Who will win?


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Loki

Well-known member
Respect is manifested differently in different cultures.
Gaslighting from the textbook. Take something disrespecful and try to argue the contrary. Disgusting.
Women are treated a second class citizen in Islam countries. Not shaking their hands is the smallest disrespect of the hundreds of rules and bans for them, which don't go for men.
Your excuses of hygiene and personal space can be applied to other cultures like Japanese, who don't shake hands in general, men or women, but simply bow.

If you shake hands with a men, but not with a women, you don't treat them equally and that's against everything the modern western society stands for. That's a hard fact and the problem right there. If your religion tells you to behave differentely between both sexes, for whatever reasons, then the problem is you and your religion don't respect modern values, not the other way around.

But I agree with you about the invitation. That was a mistake to begin with. You should know who you invite.
 

Temptation

Well-known member
It’s a religious thing why are people getting pressed about it????
Dunno man. Can't see how this has anything to do with religion. It's just basic human courtesy. This just seems rude and disrespectful. Khabib was practically cuddling with Speed and Henry. Poor Kate had to apologize on air.

It's 2025 and this is just an excuse for treating women like trash. Enabling this kind of behaviour and mentality in 2025 is just crazy. Yikes.
 

Don Juan Laporta Estruch

Basta yaaaaaaa, Cabron ! y Bona nit 🥂
Women are the first ones to throw the racism card at you, if you try and stick up for women's rights with people from backward countries.

In some countries that are seen as sexist against women, they have banned prostitution, whereas here in the west we make stars out of women who sleep with 1,000 men in 24 hours.

Women have brought this on themselves, and just like with all the trans sports people now dominating the women's sports, it has come back to bite them on the ass.

Enjoy your 'liberation', ladies. :VdB:
 

zanela

Senior Member
Gaslighting from the textbook. Take something disrespecful and try to argue the contrary. Disgusting.
Women are treated a second class citizen in Islam countries. Not shaking their hands is the smallest disrespect of the hundreds of rules and bans for them, which don't go for men.
Your excuses of hygiene and personal space can be applied to other cultures like Japanese, who don't shake hands in general, men or women, but simply bow.

If you shake hands with a men, but not with a women, you don't treat them equally and that's against everything the modern western society stands for. That's a hard fact and the problem right there. If your religion tells you to behave differentely between both sexes, for whatever reasons, then the problem is you and your religion don't respect modern values, not the other way around.

But I agree with you about the invitation. That was a mistake to begin with. You should know who you invite.

I usually avoid delving into non-football topics, but lets address this.

I did cite the cultural example to drive home the point that there isn't any one universal set of mannerisms that one must abide by. It doesn't depend solely on your religion but also culture, social upbringing etc.

As for the religious angle, I'm not sure if you are speaking based on your time living in Islamic countries, your personal research or based on what's perpetuated by the western zionist media. But its a bit rich trying to educate a muslim woman who's lived in an Islamic country and extensively visited the others, about the virtues and vices about her religion. Both men and women are equal in value but they are not the same. Islam recognizes the critical differences and adjudicates accordingly. Women are given certain privileges that men dont have and vice versa, and there is a rationale behind everything.

Women are perceived precious members of society and mother granted the highest honour. Men are their protectors and providers. If men dont shake hands of women (outside of immediate family), its precisely out of respect for these women, not for the lack of it. These women are seen not just as mere individuals but as daughters, mothers, sisters of someone else. It has nothing to do with discrimination or inequality. From my lived experiences, I can tell you that I can walk out any time of the night and feel safe in an Islamic country than I have ever felt during my time in the west. I have also never been disrespected or felt deprived due to my religion. And countless other women resonate with this reality. That doesn't mean utopia or perfection ofc. The Islamic world is marred by extremism, economic unrest, political corruption, bad governance (party due to conflicts, war and partly due to incompetence), where religion is used a tool of diversion and power grab. Its not the religion per se that is the problem but rather its lack of meaningful and proper implementation in society.

Going back to this one incident, if Khabib didn't greet Kate with a handshake, its out of respect (instead he keeps his hand on his heart). Yes, its both a cultural and religious thing for him. I'd wager if a woman was in trouble he'd be the first in line to defend her before the majority of internet warriors could even contemplate. The only athlete who gave up his career at his peak to honour his word he gave his mother, amongst the few athletes who exercised restraint when his biggest adversary (of the west) was hurling abuses at his family including his deceased father. Khabib is a class act. Just because you have been conditioned to a certain way of life or manners doesn't mean there is no merit to what you deem as 'backward'.
My advice for you is try and expand your horizons with the sincere intention to learn, and you will end up appreciating your fellow humans and their way of life better.
 

Porque

Senior Member
I like Linkin Park a lot but they should be nowhere near a football event.

I tried so hard, and got so far
But in the end, it doesn't even matter
I had to fall to lose it all
But in the end, it doesn't even matter
One thing, I don't know why
It doesn't even matter how hard you try
Keep that in mind, I designed this rhyme
To remind myself how I tried so hard


But aptly fitting. Did Inzaghi write this?
 

Loki

Well-known member
Funny. A very good attempt to appear objective and unbiased with carefully chosen words and reasons, but still lost to the urge to show the origin of it again?

or based on what's perpetuated by the western zionist media.

No matter the words, it's always the same with you lot. Ignoring all the bad things, psychologically manipulate facts to your liking. And not to forget including Israel in your opinion about any topic of course, because that's your epicenter of your whole existence, no matter how much you try to hide it. Your obsession with one tiny country that refuses to be annihilated by Arabian imperialism. "Zionist Media". What's that even supposed to mean? Israeli controlled media? Media who accept Israel's existence? And that should be a bad thing? :lol:

But as always, discussions with the likes of you only derail everything, so it's better for both sides to put you on ignore.

PS:
Women are perceived precious members of society

What a disgusting mockery. Tell that to the hundreds of millions of underaged girls, many not even reached puberty, forced into a slavery marriage and raped daily in the name of Sharia Islam.
 
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Messigician

Senior Member
I usually avoid delving into non-football topics, but lets address this.

I did cite the cultural example to drive home the point that there isn't any one universal set of mannerisms that one must abide by. It doesn't depend solely on your religion but also culture, social upbringing etc.

As for the religious angle, I'm not sure if you are speaking based on your time living in Islamic countries, your personal research or based on what's perpetuated by the western zionist media. But its a bit rich trying to educate a muslim woman who's lived in an Islamic country and extensively visited the others, about the virtues and vices about her religion. Both men and women are equal in value but they are not the same. Islam recognizes the critical differences and adjudicates accordingly. Women are given certain privileges that men dont have and vice versa, and there is a rationale behind everything.

Women are perceived precious members of society and mother granted the highest honour. Men are their protectors and providers. If men dont shake hands of women (outside of immediate family), its precisely out of respect for these women, not for the lack of it. These women are seen not just as mere individuals but as daughters, mothers, sisters of someone else. It has nothing to do with discrimination or inequality. From my lived experiences, I can tell you that I can walk out any time of the night and feel safe in an Islamic country than I have ever felt during my time in the west. I have also never been disrespected or felt deprived due to my religion. And countless other women resonate with this reality. That doesn't mean utopia or perfection ofc. The Islamic world is marred by extremism, economic unrest, political corruption, bad governance (party due to conflicts, war and partly due to incompetence), where religion is used a tool of diversion and power grab. Its not the religion per se that is the problem but rather its lack of meaningful and proper implementation in society.

Going back to this one incident, if Khabib didn't greet Kate with a handshake, its out of respect (instead he keeps his hand on his heart). Yes, its both a cultural and religious thing for him. I'd wager if a woman was in trouble he'd be the first in line to defend her before the majority of internet warriors could even contemplate. The only athlete who gave up his career at his peak to honour his word he gave his mother, amongst the few athletes who exercised restraint when his biggest adversary (of the west) was hurling abuses at his family including his deceased father. Khabib is a class act. Just because you have been conditioned to a certain way of life or manners doesn't mean there is no merit to what you deem as 'backward'.
My advice for you is try and expand your horizons with the sincere intention to learn, and you will end up appreciating your fellow humans and their way of life better.

Good read and educated post a rarity in these posts have my upvote
 

KingLeo10

Senior Member
Politics discussions usually devolve to theatrics and hyperbole, by everyone involved (myself too when I've made the mistake of indulging in them).

I'm not surprised at who the instigator is behind this topic - the social media garbage collector.
 

zanela

Senior Member
Funny. A very good attempt to appear objective and unbiased with carefully chosen words and reasons, but still lost to the urge to show the origin of it again?



No matter the words, it's always the same with you lot. Ignoring all the bad things, psychologically manipulate facts to your liking. And not to forget including Israel in your opinion about any topic of course, because that's your epicenter of your whole existence, no matter how much you try to hide it. Your obsession with one tiny country that refuses to be annihilated by Arabian imperialism. "Zionist Media". What's that even supposed to mean? Israeli controlled media? Media who accept Israel's existence? And that should be a bad thing? :lol:

But as always, discussions with the likes of you only derail everything, so it's better for both sides to put you on ignore.

PS:


What a disgusting mockery. Tell that to the hundreds of millions of underaged girls, many not even reached puberty, forced into a slavery marriage and raped daily in the name of Sharia Islam.

You have written nothing substantial except confirm my suspicion. You have never stepped foot in an Islamic country, never spoken to a local or experienced the culture. Just the usual western media talking points where Islam is painted as the villain. 'Sharia Islam', a case in point. Rape is a major sin in Islam and anybody who engages in it needs to atone for it. Besides its an irony that people of your ilk feel so outraged about rape given the real-time footage emerging from the prisons of the 'only democracy' in the ME.
'Hundreds of millions of underaged girls' - No source, nothing.

Feel free to put me on ignore. Wouldn't feel safe being followed by a Z anyways.
 

Maradona37

Well-known member
I tried so hard, and got so far
But in the end, it doesn't even matter
I had to fall to lose it all
But in the end, it doesn't even matter
One thing, I don't know why
It doesn't even matter how hard you try
Keep that in mind, I designed this rhyme
To remind myself how I tried so hard


But aptly fitting. Did Inzaghi write this?
He's being eaten out from the inside. The little things he gave away cost him in the final. Psg were the best team this season, leave out all the rest. Dimarco could get nowhere near doue, he was pushing him away. The final was crawling with incompetence by inter. In the end inter were just numb.
 

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