16 - Fermín López

La grada de animacion should be back and we'll be fine regarding the atmosphere, no need for neo nazis and all sorta imbeciles

Loki said:

That's a pile of bullshit. There is absolutely no reason to relativize a scum group. Even if others do so too, which I highly doubt anyways. There surely will be some bad examples, but in no way that's an argument to allow them into the stadium.
Not to mention, that it would be a death sentence to every mainstream sponsor deal in today's time to officially allow a neo nazi group that deals in murders, prostitution and drugs into the stadium.
You must be trolling.

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No it's not bullshit. All Ultras groups around Europe are up to their eyeballs in criminality. Infact in Italy and France it's even worse as the Ultras end up having power over the club as they are so closely entrenched with club leadership.

' Normal ' fans are generally okay with even this as they see it as just a normal part of Ultras culture. They take the good with the bad.

I am not trolling either, I am just able to separate football side from political side. I don't agree with their political or criminal outlook as much as you don't, but what is the problem if they don't bring that to the footballing side??

Infact, that is already happening as members of Boixis are sitting around the stadium and not in a large group, cheering for the team and doing whatever in their private lives afterwards. Nobody has noticed any negative from them being there as individuals as they are not bringing their nazism or criminality with them.

If they don't bring their Nazism or criminality with them as a group, then what is actually the problem? You have a group who come to the stadium, sing loudly for the team and go home.

Boixis are a group of Hooligans. And ofcourse they will have criminals in them. It comes with the job.
Until the police declares them a criminal organisation, or they do any of those sort of acts during or around the stadium.

Its all good.

Don Juan Laporta Estruch said:

No it's not bullshit. All Ultras groups around Europe are up to their eyeballs in criminality. Infact in Italy and France it's even worse as the Ultras end up having power over the club as they are so closely entrenched with club leadership.

' Normal ' fans are generally okay with even this as they see it as just a normal part of Ultras culture. They take the good with the bad.

I am not trolling either, I am just able to separate football side from political side. I don't agree with their political or criminal outlook as much as you don't, but what is the problem if they don't bring that to the footballing side??

Infact, that is already happening as members of Boixis are sitting around the stadium and not in a large group, cheering for the team and doing whatever in their private lives afterwards. Nobody has noticed any negative from them being there as individuals as they are not bringing their nazism or criminality with them.

If they don't bring their Nazism or criminality with them as a group, then what is actually the problem? You have a group who come to the stadium, sing loudly for the team and go home.

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How do you expect them to leave their personality outside the stadium? Unrealistic, it's an enormous group of people. Would be different if you are talking about an individual, but no.

They are criminals, ready for anything. Few bad words, opponent banter or some mess in the stadium and they will do some crazy shit with no hesitation.

Also this would be catastrophic for our "more than a club" image. If Franco were to wake up tomorrow would you invite him to Camp Nou if he just kept his fascism out of the stadium? They stand for complete opposite of what the club does so naturally they shouldn't be invited.

draconifire said:

Boixis are a group of Hooligans. And ofcourse they will have criminals in them. It comes with the job.
Until the police declares them a criminal organisation, or they do any of those sort of acts during or around the stadium.

Its all good.

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Boixis are a racist group. A racist group shoudn't come any closer to a stadium. Period. I can't believe someone defend this type off shit in this forum.
If these asshole come back to the stadium i stop supporting this club.

MasQueCulé said:

Boixis are a racist group. A racist group shoudn't come any closer to a stadium. Period. I can't believe someone defend this type off shit in this forum.
If these asshole come back to the stadium i stop supporting this club.

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You cannot dictate who can be racist or not. We have a whole swath of people coming in and supporting.
If they haven't broken the law or any of the club rules, I do not mind them.

They do make and dictate the noise we make in our stadium or away.

Okay, let me get this straight. If Boixos turn up displaying no violence or no racism, which are the factors that are being put forward here for them being accepted, then people still have a problem with them ??

Then we are delving in to the realms of being Thought Police, my friends. And where does that end? If we are being fair then we will have to get every fan that wants to enter the stadium to fill in a questionnaire to see whether they are ' morally ' worthy to enter the Camp Nou. No one with a criminal record. No Far Left Violent Antifa either. Maybe no Trump supporters. Maybe nobody who has different political views. Where does it end?

Actually if racism is the criteria then I'm afraid that every stadium is going to be empty because it has been psychologically proven that human beings do NOT treat all races equally and treat races entirely dependent upon their interactions with said races. Yes, that's right, a human being who has continual bad experience with a particular race will dislike that race , even if you tell him every day he is being wrong and racist.

Not withstanding, that by far the most prevalent form of racism today is self racism anyway ( racism against one's own race ) , but hysterically self racism is socially viewed as entirely okay and in a lot of circumstances pious

This forum is a prime example actually. There are many many instances of casual racism against Indians and people from the Far East that simply wouldn't fly if said about other races, but do because racism against Indians and people from the Far East is seen as more socially acceptable, despite being equally as racist. Can anyone explain why this hasn't been called out yet?

I can. Because this whole' racism ' thing that governments have forced down our throats is a load of virtual signalling shite. As proved above people are just as racist as ever, and the ones that speak up the most about it are just as racist as everyone else. That's the way the human being is, until he works on himself spiritually to transcend such inadequacies.

Not forgoing the point that we should not really care if someone else is racist as that person's racism will damage him and punish him more than we ever can. As with a lot of sins, racism is a self punishing vice.

Anyway, I am going too much into non football topics, and, as such, am not as invested in the debate, so it will be my last post on the matter.

Bona nit 🥂

I mean do you really think the Boixos can leave out the neo-nazi element out?

Rosell allowed them back for a short while after Laporta had kicked them out in his previous term, but even Rosell realized soon enough that the club couldn't risk a hit to their reputation just because the Boixos themselves cannot sort it out.

You're right that all Ultras groups are bad with racism or casual racism being prevalent, but ours sadly seem to be a special kind of retarded as well.

There’s a difference between individuals in the stands and the group as a whole.

No matter how hard you try, separating group identity from the group based on location, whether they’re currently inside or outside the stadium, is next level mental gymnastics. Cannot be done.

Good riddance, in any case.

Fake fans thousands of kilometers away from Barcelona on some English speaking forum criticising local real fans having a relationship with a local player

Know your place internet warriors

If they were real fans they wouldn’t bitch and whine if the club told them to get rid of the neo nazis that is costing the clubs in fines and possible suspensions.

But they seem more interested in protecting the scum of earth than rooting for their team so very real fans yes.

So much that no President whether left or right-leaning want them there because they are more trouble than its worth.

No ultras group are saints, but Barca’s ultras group seem more interested in promoting their retardation than actually root for the team. I’d like them there if they weren’t so stupid.

TheStig said:

Fake fans thousands of kilometers away from Barcelona on some English speaking forum criticising local real fans having a relationship with a local player

Know your place internet warriors

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Absolutely nobody is criticizing them, they can have relationship with whoever they want but should be nowhere near the stadium. Very simple.

MonteCuler said:

Absolutely nobody is criticizing them, they can have relationship with whoever they want but should be nowhere near the stadium. Very simple.

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Yeah you who probably lives on the other side od the world will tell Catalans who should or shouldn't be on the stadium. Know you place...

TheStig said:

Yeah you who probably lives on the other side od the world will tell Catalans who should or shouldn't be on the stadium. Know you place...

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This forum's purpose is literally to spread opinions about Barca matters, no matter where you are from

As far as I know

Me and evidently most of Barca fanbase agrees they shouldn't be on the new Camp Nou

I think support on the stadium is a local matter, not for internet fans who maybe see CN a few times in your life or not even that.