Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?


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Zynaro

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Overall, the Inter match raises more questions than it gives answers.


Flick is a good manager—there’s no doubt about that. But this match clearly exposed some serious flaws in his approach, especially when it comes to managing high-stakes games.


First and most importantly: why on earth did the team keep that ridiculous high line and take massive risks when they were 3–2 up with only five minutes left on the clock? Barca has already blown games this season in the dying minutes—Atletico in La Liga comes to mind, when it was 1–1 and they conceded a late counter to lose 2–1.


For some reason, the team decided that recklessly pushing forward, abandoning any kind of defensive shape, and leaving acres of space between the lines was the best way to seal the win. I just don’t get it. I don’t understand why the senior players didn’t take control and tell everyone to fall back. I don’t get why Flick didn’t instruct the team to drop deep, keep the ball, and see the game out. It’s hard to wrap my head around. That third goal was a disaster from start to finish—why was the ball given away so easily from a throw-in? Why were six players still up in Inter’s half? Why was there no urgency to recover? And that so-called “press” was just lazy jogging. The defensive shape was a mess, and that’s not even counting the individual mistakes that led to the goal.


I know some people online are saying, “The team is young,” or, “They’ll learn from this,” or, “It’s just the beginning.” But let’s be honest: we don’t know what next season will bring. Barca is still a highly unstable club. They can’t sign or register the players they want. Injuries can happen, players might leave, or their performance level could decline. ANYTHING can happen. And other teams are only going to improve. This was Barca’s best shot in years to reach a Champions League final. Who knows when the next opportunity like this will come—maybe not for another 10 YEARS. And that’s why Flick’s overly loose, hands-off approach to in-game management is so frustrating. In a game of this magnitude, you have to manage the situation better. What the hell—even Inzaghi clearly articulated exactly what his team needed to do: sit back, waste time and maintain their shape.


Also, let’s stop pretending this Barca team is that young. Lewandowski is in the twilight of his career. De Jong and Raphinha are seasoned professionals. Even the “young” players like Pedri, Lamine, and Cubarsí have already been playing at the highest level for quite some time. These aren’t rookies—they should know better. They should know how to waste time, how to keep shape, how to see out a match when you’re ahead.


And here’s the kicker: when Tek got sent off in the Supercopa back in January, the team adjusted, sat deep, and Madrid didn’t create anything. So clearly, they know how to do it. Why didn’t they do it against Inter?

No matter how others try to spin it, talking about staying true to the values of attacking football and all that, there’s no honor in losing matches like this. It’s just blatant stupidity. It’s stupid, stupid, and stupid.

To sum it all up: Flick is a great manager. But if he keeps struggling with game management in the big moments, it might end up being his undoing.
 

Zynaro

Member
Zirks who's five years older than Fort was hooked and booed off at Old Trafford first half (another Hamorim specialty) Dec 30 earlier this season after he had just shy of 700 minutes played at the time now he's United second best player. Yoro got cooked a couple of his first games and now he can progress dribble better than Bruno, Ugarte (lol), and Cas.

Fort's only had 537 minutes ALL season to date.

Fati's only had 232 minutes to date most of those in dead minutes and/or surrounded by scrubs unforgiveable.
I agree that Fort might improve, but as I see it, there’s a reason why Flick prefers Martin over him. When Fort was given a chance to impress, he failed—both offensively and defensively. And with each new match, his performance showed no real progress. Giving him more minutes, especially when the team had to compete across all three competitions and chase Atletico and Madrid in La Liga, would have likely been a bad decision at that point.

As for Fati, I think he’s probably done, to be honest. And I’d say it’s primarily a mental thing, but that’s another topic.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Overall, the Inter match raises more questions than it gives answers.


Flick is a good manager—there’s no doubt about that. But this match clearly exposed some serious flaws in his approach, especially when it comes to managing high-stakes games.


First and most importantly: why on earth did the team keep that ridiculous high line and take massive risks when they were 3–2 up with only five minutes left on the clock? Barca has already blown games this season in the dying minutes—Atletico in La Liga comes to mind, when it was 1–1 and they conceded a late counter to lose 2–1.


For some reason, the team decided that recklessly pushing forward, abandoning any kind of defensive shape, and leaving acres of space between the lines was the best way to seal the win. I just don’t get it. I don’t understand why the senior players didn’t take control and tell everyone to fall back. I don’t get why Flick didn’t instruct the team to drop deep, keep the ball, and see the game out. It’s hard to wrap my head around. That third goal was a disaster from start to finish—why was the ball given away so easily from a throw-in? Why were six players still up in Inter’s half? Why was there no urgency to recover? And that so-called “press” was just lazy jogging. The defensive shape was a mess, and that’s not even counting the individual mistakes that led to the goal.


I know some people online are saying, “The team is young,” or, “They’ll learn from this,” or, “It’s just the beginning.” But let’s be honest: we don’t know what next season will bring. Barca is still a highly unstable club. They can’t sign or register the players they want. Injuries can happen, players might leave, or their performance level could decline. ANYTHING can happen. And other teams are only going to improve. This was Barca’s best shot in years to reach a Champions League final. Who knows when the next opportunity like this will come—maybe not for another 10 YEARS. And that’s why Flick’s overly loose, hands-off approach to in-game management is so frustrating. In a game of this magnitude, you have to manage the situation better. What the hell—even Inzaghi clearly articulated exactly what his team needed to do: sit back, waste time and maintain their shape.


Also, let’s stop pretending this Barca team is that young. Lewandowski is in the twilight of his career. De Jong and Raphinha are seasoned professionals. Even the “young” players like Pedri, Lamine, and Cubarsí have already been playing at the highest level for quite some time. These aren’t rookies—they should know better. They should know how to waste time, how to keep shape, how to see out a match when you’re ahead.


And here’s the kicker: when Tek got sent off in the Supercopa back in January, the team adjusted, sat deep, and Madrid didn’t create anything. So clearly, they know how to do it. Why didn’t they do it against Inter?

No matter how others try to spin it, talking about staying true to the values of attacking football and all that, there’s no honor in losing matches like this. It’s just blatant stupidity. It’s stupid, stupid, and stupid.

To sum it all up: Flick is a great manager. But if he keeps struggling with game management in the big moments, it might end up being his undoing.

Well said
 

henry48

New member
Fair point, the team probably felt hyped, Flick was excited. You saw Pedri's expressions, they really thought they were in the final. They probably felt that they could go and play as they had, high-octane and sort of reckless. Their two defensive leaders with a fair amount of experience, De Jong and Araujo couldn't command the play, they didn't have the common sense to tell the midfield and defense. "Hey, take a breather, we're through, drop back, play it safe", but no. That lil neymar regen Yamal took the shot, not saying that was all THAT bad, but the high line was far too deep into Inter's half, and it all started THAT. It was a sense of leadership, important figures not commanding, that ultimately led to their demise. Also, other teams have done EXACTLY THAT. I believe, say, we had a MILDLY sensible center-back (Marquinhos, Van Dijk, hell, even Sergi Roberto or Marcos Alonso), we could've held them out.
 
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Iniesta Ultra

Senior Member
I agree that Fort might improve, but as I see it, there’s a reason why Flick prefers Martin over him. When Fort was given a chance to impress, he failed—both offensively and defensively. And with each new match, his performance showed no real progress. Giving him more minutes, especially when the team had to compete across all three competitions and chase Atletico and Madrid in La Liga, would have likely been a bad decision at that point.

As for Fati, I think he’s probably done, to be honest. And I’d say it’s primarily a mental thing, but that’s another topic.

You're missing the logic I presented. Zirks didn't impress anyone except Rants before he got hooked in December and that was after he had played more minutes than Fort has all season. My point is the minutes he was given with no run of games cannot be considered a "chance" nor "opportunity". Both Fati and Fort knowing they weren't nor wouldn't be given a real opportunity when they were recently given cameos they're both under the cosh to impress which is a stressful environment that would prevent any player from playing to their real potential. Ironically they both showed plenty in their cameos but Flick and all his sycophants here now have fake plausible deniability to justify puiging them since they didn't show seasoned play with no season.

Don't forget the full run of games Martin got this season who was so dogshit after every match we all said Flick has to start giving Fort a start but he persisted with his Holjund project. Martin just like Holjund is too clumsy to be considered a bench option for an elite team, a relegation side is too good for them in a top five league.

Holjund scored today, Martin assisted couple days ago, in KO games neither should ever be in. The reality's so fucked up fans of both teams will create any plausible scenario including the red herring sabotage by both coaches to continue justifying their lineup choices.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Overall, the Inter match raises more questions than it gives answers.


Flick is a good manager—there’s no doubt about that. But this match clearly exposed some serious flaws in his approach, especially when it comes to managing high-stakes games.


First and most importantly: why on earth did the team keep that ridiculous high line and take massive risks when they were 3–2 up with only five minutes left on the clock? Barca has already blown games this season in the dying minutes—Atletico in La Liga comes to mind, when it was 1–1 and they conceded a late counter to lose 2–1.


For some reason, the team decided that recklessly pushing forward, abandoning any kind of defensive shape, and leaving acres of space between the lines was the best way to seal the win. I just don’t get it. I don’t understand why the senior players didn’t take control and tell everyone to fall back. I don’t get why Flick didn’t instruct the team to drop deep, keep the ball, and see the game out. It’s hard to wrap my head around. That third goal was a disaster from start to finish—why was the ball given away so easily from a throw-in? Why were six players still up in Inter’s half? Why was there no urgency to recover? And that so-called “press” was just lazy jogging. The defensive shape was a mess, and that’s not even counting the individual mistakes that led to the goal.


I know some people online are saying, “The team is young,” or, “They’ll learn from this,” or, “It’s just the beginning.” But let’s be honest: we don’t know what next season will bring. Barca is still a highly unstable club. They can’t sign or register the players they want. Injuries can happen, players might leave, or their performance level could decline. ANYTHING can happen. And other teams are only going to improve. This was Barca’s best shot in years to reach a Champions League final. Who knows when the next opportunity like this will come—maybe not for another 10 YEARS. And that’s why Flick’s overly loose, hands-off approach to in-game management is so frustrating. In a game of this magnitude, you have to manage the situation better. What the hell—even Inzaghi clearly articulated exactly what his team needed to do: sit back, waste time and maintain their shape.


Also, let’s stop pretending this Barca team is that young. Lewandowski is in the twilight of his career. De Jong and Raphinha are seasoned professionals. Even the “young” players like Pedri, Lamine, and Cubarsí have already been playing at the highest level for quite some time. These aren’t rookies—they should know better. They should know how to waste time, how to keep shape, how to see out a match when you’re ahead.


And here’s the kicker: when Tek got sent off in the Supercopa back in January, the team adjusted, sat deep, and Madrid didn’t create anything. So clearly, they know how to do it. Why didn’t they do it against Inter?

No matter how others try to spin it, talking about staying true to the values of attacking football and all that, there’s no honor in losing matches like this. It’s just blatant stupidity. It’s stupid, stupid, and stupid.

To sum it all up: Flick is a great manager. But if he keeps struggling with game management in the big moments, it might end up being his undoing.

Good post. That's basically Flick's Achilles heel as a manager.
 

Loki

Well-known member
To sum it all up: Flick is a great manager. But if he keeps struggling with game management in the big moments, it might end up being his undoing.
So, which manager doesn't struggle with game management in the big moments?
 

Loki

Well-known member
First and most importantly: why on earth did the team keep that ridiculous high line and take massive risks when they were 3–2 up with only five minutes left on the clock?
You whole criticism is based on the opinion, that sitting deep has higher chances to win this game. That's just your assumption, as it's never that easy.

You really think Flick with his 30 assistants doesn't talk through each possible situation before a game how to react on each possible score? Barca had 7 analysts during the CdR final. You don't think they talk over about what you just wrote? You really think they're that stupid not to think about what 1000s random fans write in a forum?
There is no guideline how to certainly win games. Teams losing games defending low, defending high. Teams win games defending low, defending high. It depends on each game, on each situation, on each team, on available players, their strengths and weaknesses, opponent's strength and weaknesses, preperation and training for a certain approach, game flow, analysts opinion, physical and mental form, and many many more things.

It's always easy to be smart after the fact. If the team would have sat deep, allow Inter to press us in our own penalty area, concede in the end, you would write the same text with why the team allows Inter so close to the goal and don't control the game in the last minutes away from your own goal. That was often the way with Xavi by the way.

These kind of analysis of the game are worthless, because they're made out of emotions.
 
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Loki

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Everyone because they don't shoot themselves in the foot from winning positions to win better, with 5 minutes remaining
Right, no manager ever conceded a goal in the last minutes while leading. I'm still waiting for names of coaches, that always close out the game in the end without conceding last minute goals.
 
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jamrock

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You whole criticism is based on the opinion, that sitting deep has higher chances to win this game. That's just your assumption, as it's never that easy.

You really think Flick with his 30 assistants doesn't talk through each possible situation before a game how to react on each possible score? Barca had 7 analysts during the CdR final. You don't think they talk over about what you just wrote? You really think they're that stupid not to think about what 1000s random fans write in a forum?
There is no guideline how to certainly win games. Teams losing games defending low, defending high. Teams win games defending low, defending high. It depends on each game, on each situation, on each team, on available players, their strengths and weaknesses, opponent's strength and weaknesses, preperation and training for a certain approach, game flow, analysts opinion, physical and mental form, and many many more things.

It's always easy to be smart after the fact. If the team would have sat deep, allow Inter to press us in our own penalty area, score in the end, you would write the same text with why the team allows Inter so close to the goal and don't control the game in the last minutes away from your own goal. That was often the way with Xavi by the way.

These kind of analysis of the game are worthless, because they're made out of emotions.
1000000% stats will show dropping off, keeping your shape, keeping possession drastically improves your chance of winning a game with a 1 goal lead with 5 minutes remaining..


That's why damn near every coach in history does it.

What kinda excuse that is a so easily proven wrong with the weight of history are you even trying to make right now? Lol.

Sitting keeping possession & shspe doesn't increase you chances of winning throughout the entire game, but it most certainly does with 5 minutes left, that's why EVERY COACH does it, except flick.

Like kingleo said it's like looking for a shop when you have a 2 point lead and 20 seconds left in the NBA, no one does it because it's Stupid, you keep the ball & wait for a foul.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Right, no manager ever conceded a goal in the last minutes while leading. I'm still waiting for names of coaches, that always close out the game in the end without conceding last minute goals.

You're being dumb and deliberately obtuse.

I would have to write the name of coach in history.

Ain't nobody said you can't concede, everyone who has watched the game & knows football.

Says You DONT GO FOR A GOAL LEADING BY 1 WITH 5 MINUTES LEFT, LEAVING YOUR DEFENSE 10 YARDS ABOVE THE HALF WAY LINE AND YOUR DEFENSIVE SHAPE IS SHIT.

if you're gonna lose from there let it be something else, not you trying to win a game that's already won.

What in the actual flying fuck are you even trying to say.
 
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Loki

Well-known member
You're being dumb and deliberately obtuse.

I would have to write the name of everything man in history.

Ain't nobody said you can't concede, everyone who has watched the game & knows football.

Says You DONT GO FOR A GOAL LEADING BY 1 WITH 5 MINUTES LEFT, LEAVING YOUR DEFENSE 10 YARDS ABOVE THE HALF WAY LINE AND YOUR DEFENSIVE SHAPE IS SHIT.

if you're gonna lose from there let it be something else, not you trying to win a game that's already won.

What in the actual flying fuck are you even trying to say.
Your general assumption, sitting deep = less chances of conceding is simply false. There is nothing more to it. It may be true for one team or another, but that is not the general rule.

It's ridiculous to think you guys at home on your couch found the solution, while Flick with his 30 assistants and analysts is too stupid to understand.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Your general assumption, sitting deep = less chances of conceding is simply false. There is nothing more to it

Yea you can't say anything, because you are wrong 😂 😂.

Sitting 10 yards above the half way line and attacking with a 1 goal lead in 3 minutes left.

Yea that's the way to win a game 😂 😂.

Said 0 persons ever in football.

Even Johan in that famous interview said as long as you score ONE MORE GOAL.

Flick had his ONE and Went for Two, not even Johan Cruyff would do that because it's fucking stupid, if you are to concede let it be something else.
 

Loki

Well-known member
Flick had his ONE and Went for Two, not even Johan Cruyff would do that because it's fucking stupid, if you are to concede let it be something else.
The same bullshit I've read after every goal conceded when sitting deep. WhY dOn't We StAnD HiGhEr aNd TrY tO CoNtRoL tHe GaMe BeTtEr aNd KeEp OpPonNenT AwAy FrOm OuR GoAl.

Your assumptions are absolutely worthless. The son of Cruyff said his father would have been proud after the game and you still type this bullshit here.

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That's it from me to this topic, won't do anyone good to keep going in circles. Keep your opinion you understand better than Flick and his 30 assistants and analysts how to lower the chances of conceding, it's funny.
 

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