Trent Alexander-Arnold

Windhook · May 5, 2025

Temptation said:
Anyways, the point is you don't need to play in Spain to be in all time debates. If Trent stars in more CL and PL wins for Liverpool, he'd be an all timer.

Have given numerous examples to make this crystal clear. Can give more.

Trent's motivations to leave Liverpool are not related to sunny Madrid, but the opportunity to play with some of the best in the world in Vini, Bellingham and Mbappe. Of course Bellingham being there is a great magnet. Liverpool are nearing the end of their Klopp cycle with aged Van Dijk and Salah.

Temptation · May 5, 2025

jamrock said:
Exactly Wikipedia.

No one thinks Ashley Cole is a all time great full back in the way they think of Dani alves or Marcelo.

Lewa rep goat more of a boost in the 3 years spent at Barca than his entire career in Germany.

Those guys played in Italy when it was the goat league.

Henry again is a player that's more highly related in England than outside, if he played for Madrid or Barca, no one would debate where he ranks.

I don't make the rules, you play for Barca and Madrid, you get a reputation boost, that's just the way it is, Trent knows it too, which is why he wants to leave.

What about Maldini and Baresi then? Widely regarded as the greatest in their position by most people?

Wrong about Lewy. The biggest boost to Lewy's reputation was the 2019-2022 period where he was breaking records everywhere, winning trophies, dominating all opponents and Football fans everywhere were going on and on about France Football robbing him. He was trending heavily on all social media platforms in his peak at Bayern. Even on this forum infact.

Henry is rated highly everywhere mate. Many young players today(outside England) grew up idolizing him.

NKMaribor · May 5, 2025

MonteCuler said:
Its not a good trait to leave your boyhood club where you can be the captain, legend, face of the club for Madrid just so you can be more famous and get more media attention

Per your reasoning Pedri should remain in Las Palmas instead of opting for fame and glory. Its just bad reasoning full of assumptions.

Bigger club, better city, new challenge for a guy who is entering his late tweenties. Chance to become lead fullback in probably refurbishef squad.To experience El Classico. What exactly dont you understand?

jamrock · May 5, 2025

Temptation said:
What about Maldini and Baresi then? Widely regarded as the greatest in their position by most people?

Wrong about Lewy. The biggest boost to Lewy's reputation was the 2019-2022 period where he was breaking records everywhere, winning trophies, dominating all opponents and Football fans everywhere were going on and on about France Football robbing him. He was trending heavily on all social media platforms in his peak at Bayern. Even on this forum infact.

Henry is rated highly everywhere mate. Many young players today(outside England) grew up idolizing him.

I agreed those two, they player in Seria A, when it was the goat league.

Nah this 3 years at Barca has no more for his reputation than anything he did in Germany

Again Henry is more highly rated in England than outside it, period.

That's just the facts

I don't make the rules temp, and you can't change them.

Barca and Madrid = Reputation boost.

If two players are equal in everyway
1 plays for man utd.
1 plays for Barca.

The Barca player will be more likely to win the golden ball and be rated higher

Temptation · May 5, 2025

jamrock said:
I agreed those two, they player in Seria A, when it was the goat league.

Nah this 3 years at Barca has no more for his reputation than anything he did in Germany

Again Henry is more highly rated in England than outside it, period.

That's just the facts

I don't make the rules temp, and you can't change them.

Barca and Madrid = Reputation boost.

If two players are equal in everyway
1 plays for man utd.
1 plays for Barca.

The Barca player will be more likely to win the golden ball and be rated higher

Current United? Yes. Peak United? No.

In the 2000s, most reputed sports websites used to rate United as the biggest brand and club in Football.

Ronaldo and Beckham were already the biggest stars in Football at United. Perez admitted this himself about Beckham.

Will Madrid/Barca give Trent a reputation boost if he performs? Yes.

Would Trent be considered an all timer if he achieves this at Liverpool? Hell yeah.

Temptation said:
If Trent ends with 3 CLs and 4 PLs for Liverpool and is a regular England starter, the English media will give him insane hype. He'll be considered an all timer if he achieves these things.

Also his playing style is far more attractive than the average FB.

Gazzznigga · May 5, 2025

Temptation said:
"Ashley Cole (born 20 December 1980) is an English football coach and former player. As a player, he played as a left back, most notably for Arsenal and Chelsea. Cole is considered by many critics and fellow professional players as one of the best defenders of his generation, one of the greatest English players of all time as well as one of the greatest left-backs in the history of the sport."

This is from his Wikipedia intro. I'm not saying Wikipedia is the gospel truth or anything but most Football experts rate Cole this highly in general.

Henry was already considered one of the greatest strikers ever before he came to Barca.

Lewandowski was considered one of the greatest strikers ever long before his Spain move.

Maldini never played in Spain. Baresi didn't either.

You don't have to play in Spain to be in all time debates. That's ridiculous.

If you rely on Wikipedia for your player evaluation then you need to take some break bro. Wikipedia can be edited by any Johnny who did not watch football beyond his village.

No one who truly knows about football well puts Ashley in the discussion of anything namdd as one of the "greatests"

Temptation · May 5, 2025

Gazzznigga said:
If you rely on Wikipedia for your player evaluation then you need to take some break bro. Wikipedia can be edited by any Johnny who did not watch football beyond his village.

No one who truly knows about football well puts Ashley in the discussion of anything namdd as one of the "greatests"

Fine. Forget about Cole. I have made my point with many other examples.

MonteCuler · May 5, 2025

NKMaribor said:
Per your reasoning Pedri should remain in Las Palmas instead of opting for fame and glory. Its just bad reasoning full of assumptions.

Bigger club, better city, new challenge for a guy who is entering his late tweenties. Chance to become lead fullback in probably refurbishef squad.To experience El Classico. What exactly dont you understand?

No its vastly different from Pedri

Liverpool is European powerhouse he can have an incredible career there as well, Las Palmas not at all

Temptation · May 5, 2025

Trent already had 1 CL, 2 PL, 3 CL finals, some of the best 2nd place finishes in PL, numerous cups, etc.

If he performs well for England NT as a regular starter(that is his responsibility not Liverpool or Real Madrid's problem) and wins 2 more CLs and PLs with us, he'll easily be considered an all timer.

He doesn't need Madrid to be one.

Try to understand my point here guys. I'm not saying Real or Barca wouldn't boost his reputation.

@KingLeo10 back me up here?

DonAK · May 5, 2025

NKMaribor said:
Maybe if i would actually support it, and if it werent comming from you. Besides context is completely different. Point being is player club relationship in which players are in handicap position. Well except Barca amigos. Those patriots are still sucking your club dry.

The context is that your big club are acting like a small club. Whiny little cunts.

fergus90 · May 5, 2025

Temptation said:
What about Maldini and Baresi then? Widely regarded as the greatest in their position by most people?

Wrong about Lewy. The biggest boost to Lewy's reputation was the 2019-2022 period where he was breaking records everywhere, winning trophies, dominating all opponents and Football fans everywhere were going on and on about France Football robbing him. He was trending heavily on all social media platforms in his peak at Bayern. Even on this forum infact.

Henry is rated highly everywhere mate. Many young players today(outside England) grew up idolizing him.

This is why I find GOAT or who's better than who debates very subjective for the most part. Reality is most people call players the GOAT or the best in that position are players they've seen regularly and put them a tier ahead of players who might actually be better but they just haven't watched enough

Example Beckenbeaur, Matthaus, Gerd Muller, Lahm etc have massive reputations in Germany, elsewhere they are recognised as class but hardly ever brought up as best in their position. You can guarantee a lot of Germans when asked the best ever this or that will mention those names first.

Same in England, Italy, Spain or wherever. I know people who with a gun to their head would struggle to name 30 players in Barca or Madrid's history combined but absolutely love football.

Gazzznigga · May 5, 2025

fergus90 said:
This is why I find GOAT or who's better than who debates very subjective for the most part. Reality is most people call players the GOAT or the best in that position are players they've seen regularly and put them a tier ahead of players who might actually be better but they just haven't watched enough

Example Beckenbeaur, Matthaus, Gerd Muller, Lahm etc have massive reputations in Germany, elsewhere they are recognised as class but hardly ever brought up as best in their position. You can guarantee a lot of Germans when asked the best ever this or that will mention those names first.

Same in England, Italy, Spain or wherever. I know people who with a gun to their head would struggle to name 30 players in Barca or Madrid's history combined but absolutely love football.

You are absolutely correct.

However, this still does not weed out the case where majority agree on a particular name as being head and shoulders above the rest. The law of numbers and averages sorts that.

If you ask 1000 rational and widely dispersed people who was in the best in a position, chances are that one particular name that has been most consistent, renowned worldwide for exploits and successes, would stick out more than the others even if it was just 1 over the rest. That should be the GOAT

You cant lay any claim to being a GOAT if you are only known locally and buoyed by the local press. You have to be known globally too otherwise you are a local champion.

Gazzznigga · May 5, 2025

Temptation said:
Current United? Yes. Peak United? No.

In the 2000s, most reputed sports websites used to rate United as the biggest brand and club in Football.

Ronaldo and Beckham were already the biggest stars in Football at United. Perez admitted this himself about Beckham.

Will Madrid/Barca give Trent a reputation boost if he performs? Yes.

Would Trent be considered an all timer if he achieves this at Liverpool? Hell yeah.

How many Ballon D'ors did the peak United produce?

A player has higher chances of winning Ballon D'or with Barca/Madrid than with any English club, all other factors held constant.

fergus90 · May 5, 2025

Gazzznigga said:
You are absolutely correct.

However, this still does out not weed the case where majority agree on a particular name as being head and shoulders above the rest. The law of numbers and averages sorts that.

If you ask 1000 rational and widely dispersed people who was in the best in a position, chances are that one particular name that has been most consistent, renowned worldwide for exploits and successes, would stick out more than the others even if it was just 1 over the rest. That should be the GOAT

You cant lay any claim to being a GOAT if you are only known locally and buoyed by the local press. You have to be known globally too otherwise you are a local champion.

For sure having the guts to leave your boyhood city and learn a completely new way of life, culture and league would boost someone’s reputation and historical standing massively if it went well.

Gazzznigga · May 5, 2025

Temptation said:
Trent already had 1 CL, 2 PL, 3 CL finals, some of the best 2nd place finishes in PL, numerous cups, etc.

If he performs well for England NT as a regular starter(that is his responsibility not Liverpool or Real Madrid's problem) and wins 2 more CLs and PLs with us, he'll easily be considered an all timer.

He doesn't need Madrid to be one.

@KingLeo10 back me up here?

No, he will not.

Did you watch Cafu?

.....or Dani Alves?

.....Javier Zanetti?

.....Lahm?

He has to surpass those ones in achievements and balanced play-style first before any rational person can take a look at his side as an all timer

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