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jamrock

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Rory said:
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Yeah the tactics were fine and were going well. Then circumstances changed and he couldn't make the right tactical decisions.
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After going down, the game was over bro, nothing that could have been done.

Then your boy De jong killed us even more with the 2nd goal.

Lewa sent us to hell when he didn't pass to Torres.

None of those had anything to do with Xavi.

Even gundogan said in training we were working on closing space so they don't get a shot from outside the box, guess who fucked that up???

Coach did his job.

Individual errors from 1-2 players ended the game.
 
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Temptation

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Barca were not getting battered before the red card lol. They were doing a perfect job at soaking up the pressure and playing on the break.

On the contrary, PSG were naive and playing into Barca's hands.

Barca were playing a low block counter attacking system and it was working extremely well. They were cruising.

Barca weren't conceding any high xG chances or dangerous situations except when Araujo was trying to act like Peak Laudrup and losing the ball. Barca were conceding possession and had PSG firmly under their control. It started out like a typical Mourinho masterclass.


Saying this as a guy who doesn't rate Xavi at all. Xavi should be criticised for acting like an emotional crybaby.
 
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iniestaGOAT

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jamrock said:
After going down, the game was over bro, nothing that could have been done.

Then your boy De jong killed us even more with the 2nd goal.

Lewa sent us to hell when he didn't pass to Torres.

None of those had anything to do with Xavi.

Even gundogan said in training we were working on closing space so they don't get a shot from outside the box, guess who fucked that up???

Coach did his job.

Individual errors from 1-2 players ended the game.
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Lets not forget that bum Lewandowski could have put us 3 ahead before the red card.
And he choked yet again.
 
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Rory

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jamrock said:
After going down, the game was over bro, nothing that could have been done.

Then your boy De jong killed us even more with the 2nd goal.

Lewa sent us to hell when he didn't pass to Torres.

None of those had anything to do with Xavi.

Even gundogan said in training we were working on closing space so they don't get a shot from outside the box, guess who fucked that up???

Coach did his job.

Individual errors from 1-2 players ended the game.
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Well then that's a pathetic mentality to have. A game is over if you go down to 10 men. That's no Barca mentality lmao.

My boy De Jong, same one I said we should sell the last time you made that claim?

We were poorly setup tactically after Araujo went off. Doesn't mean Xavi is shit for it, but I fear you're too emotional to have any kind of discussion that isn't black and white.
 
malvolio

malvolio

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jamrock said:
His tactics made Mbappe poor TBF.
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Mbappe had two good chances to score at 1-0 for us, before the red card.

Shot saved by Stegen and header from corner that hit one of our players.

He also had other chances but couldn't score. Even his second goal was a fluke with ball landing to him after another big chance he had.

So this story about how we contained him and Xavi is a genius doesn't really hold too much water.
 
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Temptation said:
Barca were not getting battered before the red card lol. They were doing a perfect job at soaking up the pressure and playing on the break.

On the contrary, PSG were naive and playing into Barca's hands.

Barca were playing a low block counter attacking system and it was working extremely well. They were cruising.

Barca weren't conceding any high xG chances or dangerous situations except when Araujo was trying to act like Peak Laudrup and losing the ball. Barca were conceding possession and had PSG firmly under their control. It started out like a typical Mourinho masterclass.


Saying this as a guy who doesn't rate Xavi at all. Xavi should be criticised for acting like an emotional crybaby.
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PSG were all over us.

Yes we were doing a relatively good job at soaking up pressure. Said that myself. Also said how the plan was working well in regards to counter attack tactics. These tactics rely heavily on the opposition being poor at creating/taking chances, it's a roll of the dice. Then when Araujo was sent off he made the wrong tactical choices. I didn't expect us to win from that position and don't blame Xavi for us going out.

Xavi couldn't handle the sending off tactically. Our players shit the bed and cost us the game. Two things correct at the same time, woah.
 
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malvolio

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Rory said:
PSG were all over us.

Yes we were doing a relatively good job at soaking up pressure. Said that myself. Also said how the plan was working well in regards to counter attack tactics. These tactics rely heavily on the opposition being poor at creating/taking chances, it's a roll of the dice. Then when Araujo was sent off he made the wrong tactical choices. I didn't expect us to win from that position and don't blame Xavi for us going out.

Xavi couldn't handle the sending off tactically. Our players shit the bed and cost us the game. Two things correct at the same time, woah.
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PSG had the possession but couldn't really do something with it before our goal.

We were very poor at keeping the ball though. Araujo gifted possession like at least three times before the red card situation.

I get it we played on the counter, but we weren't in control at all and were gifting PSG possession very easily.

Even goal was a bit unexpected, but for me it was the clearest attacking play to score in both legs. Lewandowski got lucky to have the ball on that shot he skied.
 
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malvolio

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Messi983 said:
Don't blame him, this is much more on individual mistakes than Xavi.

Was right to go after that Romanian Lahoz too. Basically all of his decisions went against us.
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Ref was correct on every big decision.

He lost it at times gifting some unnecessary yellows, guess the pressure and wanting to not lose control influenced him.
 
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jamrock

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malvolio said:
Mbappe had two good chances to score at 1-0 for us, before the red card.

Shot saved by Stegen and header from corner that hit one of our players.

He also had other chances but couldn't score. Even his second goal was a fluke with ball landing to him after another big chance he had.

So this story about how we contained him and Xavi is a genius doesn't really hold too much water.
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So your point is what exactly? Our keeper shouldn't have to make saves? Do his job?

We should have kept them from having any shots on goal?

The plan was to weather to storm, we knew they were going to come out strong in the first 15-20 minutes, keep it at 0 or at most 1 goal during that time.

they have enough talent to get 2-3 goals in the first 20 minutes.

They would tire out and the game would balance off

It's basic stuff bro, every tactical review of the game I've seen, said the same, because again it's basic and obvious what the plan was.

We did it one better by scoring a goal,but hey far be it from us not to be dominate and scoring a goal against the run of play, how low of us.
 
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ajnotkeith

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PSG is a great team but acting like 2 goals up with 10 men is some insurmountable task is really not it. Plenty of teams have held with 10 men with leads in important games.

That is part of the problem in being unwilling to adapt to new circumstances or adverse events in games. Stuff like that always happens in knockouts, your players make dumb mistakes, people get sent off, penalties are given away, keeper makes a blunder, it's why teams who can shake off frustration and momentum swings are so good in these competitions.

It's not really on Xavi, however his attitude and his theatrics whenever things don't go the team's way is becoming absurd and isn't a good example for the players. You have to lead from the top-down and when he's throwing a tantrum at nothing and getting sent off it isn't exactly going to help the players stay calm and follow instructions in a high-pressure situation.
 
malvolio

malvolio

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jamrock said:
So your point is what exactly? Our keeper shouldn't have to make saves? Do his job?

We should have kept them from having any shots on goal?

The plan was to weather to storm, we knew they were going to come out strong in the first 15-20 minutes, keep it at 0 or at most 1 goal during that time.

they have enough talent to get 2-3 goals in the first 20 minutes.

They would tire out and the game would balance off

It's basic stuff bro, every tactical review of the game I've seen, said the same, because again it's basic and obvious what the plan was.

We did it one better by scoring a goal,but hey far be it from us not to be dominate and scoring a goal against the run of play, how low of us.
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My point is that tactics didn't make Mbappe look poor, as you said. He had chances to get 4+ goals.
 
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jamrock

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Rory said:
Well then that's a pathetic mentality to have. A game is over if you go down to 10 men. That's no Barca mentality lmao.

My boy De Jong, same one I said we should sell the last time you made that claim?

We were poorly setup tactically after Araujo went off. Doesn't mean Xavi is shit for it, but I fear you're too emotional to have any kind of discussion that isn't black and white.
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Mentality is irrelevant, just as a matter of fact. We weren't beating PSG with all that pace down one man, simple as end of.

You can see the logic in the subs he made, could have made different ones, but the subs he made weren't without logic.

The only blame Xavi has in these two ties, is the after game interview, which had zero impact on the actual game.
 
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jamrock

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ajnotkeith said:
PSG is a great team but acting like 2 goals up with 10 men is some insurmountable task is really not it. Plenty of teams have held with 10 men with leads in important games.

That is part of the problem in being unwilling to adapt to new circumstances or adverse events in games. Stuff like that always happens in knockouts, your players make dumb mistakes, people get sent off, penalties are given away, keeper makes a blunder, it's why teams who can shake off frustration and momentum swings are so good in these competitions.

It's not really on Xavi, however his attitude and his theatrics whenever things don't go the team's way is becoming absurd and isn't a good example for the players. You have to lead from the top-down and when he's throwing a tantrum at nothing and getting sent off it isn't exactly going to help the players stay calm and follow instructions in a high-pressure situation.
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Name them?

Name the game were a two world class teams, 1 with a arguable the best attack in football, where the other team goes down to 10 men for 60 minutes and got a result.
 
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ajnotkeith

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jamrock said:
Name them?

Name the game were a two world class teams, 1 with a arguable the best attack in football, where the other team goes down to 10 men for 60 minutes and got a result.
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Is it the best attack in football though?

On paper it might be, but they struggled against much worse teams in the group stage, they haven't proven anything like that.
The proven best attacks are Madrid, City, Liverpool (not in CL this year), etc.

PSG have had the best attack on paper for many years now and it never amounted to anything.
 
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