Diego Simeone
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Temptation
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On paper maybe but in actual practice, Pep teams have struggled the most against Klopp by far.
Temptation
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I think Simeone is a bit overrated tactically. He's very basic in terms of tactics and instructions. It's more about motivation, man management and discipline. His system has never been very sophisticated or innovative.
He isn't as good a tactician as Mourinho, Capello, Allegri, etc. Named master tacticians with a similar style of play to illustrate my point.
He isn't as good a tactician as Mourinho, Capello, Allegri, etc. Named master tacticians with a similar style of play to illustrate my point.
serghei
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You're missing my point. For me, as a Barca fan for 30 years, the most dangerous managers have been Mourinho and Simeone. And it is because of one thing. The ability to set up their teams to give everything in defense and middle of the park.
At their best they were the cream of the crap of defensive, pragmatic managers.
Temptation
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Klopp teams WON way more games against Pep teams so I'm not sure this makes any sense? 🤨
Temptation
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Because you as a Barca fan have rarely played Prime Klopp.
Pep has faced Klopp numerous times for years.
A Prime Jupp Heynckes Bayern would be a pretty tough opponent for Barca too.
serghei
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All great teams would be tough. I said who would be toughest. That Barca side turned the most dominant EPL club in the modern era into a sparring partner.
Klopp is great. After Pep he is probably the best attacking minded manager around.
For me, having suported a side gifted with the best of the best in terms of attack, the defensive greats pose more problems, in terms of players and managers alike.
Windhook
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"Way more" being 11 vs 12 wins in favor of Klopp.
Same applies for Klopp, lost most of his career games against Pep.
But then prime Klopp vs. Ancelotti is terrible (3W, 7L). Pep vs. Ancelotti are a tie (6-6).
What's the point being made here anyway? Titles count, not El Clasico wins.
Temptation
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It means Klopp won way more games than those other managers did against Pep.
And Ancelotti is an all time great lmao.
Klopp is clear of Simeone as a manager and the toughest matchup for Pep specifically.
Windhook
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Klopp is a great manager to rival Pep. And they made each other better and the respect they have.
But as I said titles count, not H2H matches.
Birdy
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Birdy
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Still....
The discussion is valid.
Yes, prime overachiever from 2011 to 2016
But he has overstayed his welcome the last 10 years.
With every passing year, he is become more toothless and more bening, and tactically outfoxed by much lesser coaches/teams
Watch him now get eliminated by Brugges
The discussion is valid.
Yes, prime overachiever from 2011 to 2016
But he has overstayed his welcome the last 10 years.
With every passing year, he is become more toothless and more bening, and tactically outfoxed by much lesser coaches/teams
Watch him now get eliminated by Brugges
BerkeleyBernie
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Can't argue with these results facing two of the best sides the world has ever seen.
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