Barca Transfers and Rumors

[FinBarcelonafan]

We need a sub for Kounde and Balde. That's the main point. Cancelo can do that. The best we can get in the winter market and with our financial cap.

It's not ideal, but ideal in this situation.. we need a warm body for sure.

 

[draconifire]

No to basically everyone on this list

Except for the CB position, all are basically backups. We don't need starters.

And for backups, these are ok. And we don't spend much.

 

[vuji_31]

We need a LCB this winter. Loan deal or a cheap transfer.

Ideal universe. We would have lapped up this Senesi guy. Might cost us 20-25m.

Then comes summer. There are a plethora of Free agents to look into.

Hopefully, the 1:1 rule is done with.
Ship out Arujo for 15-20m.
Similar to last summer, some clubs should be in for Fermin. If its upwards of 50m, we should consider selling him.
Lewa leaves. Mats leaves. Christensen leaves.

Rashy - 25m + variables. He has to reduce his salary by 2-3m at least.
LCB - Senesi, either free or 20-25m if we go for him this winter.
RCB - Konate free. Dont think Madrid or other big clubs will be for him because of his performance. We have the option.
LB - Vitaliy Mykolenko or Mingueza. Both free, should be of similar wages.
RB - Vanderson - 20-25m.
CAM - Brandt, free.
ST - Vlahovic free. Dont like this option. Ideally would not have gone for one. But since rumours have popped up, keeping it.

5 players leaving.
6 new players coming in.
Amount of salary being freed + transfer expenditure should be enough to accommodate the new players and FFP should be fine.

Ya I know we Deco is lazy, and we don't move like this. But next summer, the quality of Free agents is very good. And if we don't capitalise on it with our financial situation, it means we will never do well during a transfer window. And we have an election too.
Next summer will be a test for our Board/Deco/Fatporta

All of the avergae players that we can imagine.

Let's spice it up with Schloterback so atleast we can hope.

Vanderson is trash, Rashford is not good at all, he has just soem lucky cross assists, Vlahovic is second striker at Juve, 20mil for Sensei with having half year on contract is joke lol.

 

[vuji_31]

I mean I am not big fan of Cancelo, but he can stilll player against low or mid table teams.

He is defensive nightmare, but concidering how we play we play, we would need prime Kyle Walker to fix gap.

 

[serghei]

He was signed by Spurs in summer 2023 with less than 600 minutes in first team football at Croatia. You think at the time it is normal for Barca to splash that money on such a CB prospect?

There is a price for being proven, and it changes by how much you have proved yourself. This is just the facts of the market. 12M for a 16 years old CB in Croatia who barely played is insane price.



Mina was 23, and was already a starter and ine of the best defenders in both Brazil and Columbia.

Digne was 23, had played over 100 games in France and over 40 in Italy.

Todibo was starter in French league, was signed for 1M

Emerson was 20 and we had over 30 games in Brazil

Todibo was 19

In what way are those comparable? And mind you the difference in situation. We can't afford the risk atm, the cost isn't only how we lose in sale, but how it affects reinforcement of the first team.


Barca seems to switch attention to new markets, African, Scandinavian and Turkey in particular, aling with Spain too. Those are easier to get cheaper and goid prospects

You don't lose in sale at 12m. It just doesn't happen except very rarely. The player has to be a complete bum to not make a small profit over him. You probably get half the transfer fee back by loaning the player for 2-3 seasons.

There is no way a 12m talent doesn't at least break even in 4-5 season. And that's if he fails, close to worst case scenario. It's huge potential upside with little to no risk. This is essentially the market segment that allows clubs like Dortmund and other similar sides get very rich. Sign very promising talents for some good money, sell after not very long for 2-3 times the price at the very least.

 

[serghei]

We barely lost money on fecking Firpo and he was a flop in every way possible.

 

[khaled_a_d]

You don't lose in sale at 12m. It just doesn't happen except very rarely. The player has to be a complete bum to not make a small profit over him. You probably get half the transfer fee back by loaning the player for 2-3 seasons.

There is no way a 12m talent doesn't at least break even in 4-5 season. And that's if he fails, close to worst case scenario. It's huge potential upside with little to no risk. This is essentially the market segment that allows clubs like Dortmund and other similar sides get very rich. Sign very promising talents for some good money, sell after not very long for 2-3 times the price at the very least.

Again, you are totally ignoring opportunity cost. There is a reason only EPL aling RM & PSG being the ones that pays such premium prices for total unknowns. I am not sure what is hard to grasp here.

And Firpo is another totally unrelated example like the other ones 🙄

 

[serghei]

Again, you are totally ignoring opportunity cost. There is a reason only EPL aling RM & PSG being the ones that pays such premium prices for total unknowns. I am not sure what is hard to grasp here.

Eh, how do you think Dortmund gets rich?

 

[khaled_a_d]

Eh, how do you think Dortmund gets rich?

By abandoning trophies

 

[serghei]

By abandoning trophies

They abandonat trophies because they need to sell. Not because they don't have a very good low cost strategy in terms of signing the right promising players.

I don't know what your argument is, to make money you need to spend money. You can never avoid the risk completely.

 

[serghei]

If we apply some of those clubs strategy, more than we do it anyway, whatever talent develops in a big way, it's a keeper and becomes a starter. We wouldn't need to sell them even for 80m offers. A bit like Pedri. But applied to more players from more football markets.

We should move away from oldies, rejects and past it players anyway. That horse is dead. If we only look at the known names that have been around for a long time and didn't amount to much, that's just bad planning to me.

We did get linked to some young players with bigger rating, but we need to do better and land some. You can't lose all because you cheapen out and refuse to sweeten the deal by a few millions. And forget Barca B. Bigger talents don't fancy playing in 3rd tier of Spanish football. As soon as you mention that you shoot yourself in the foot.

 

[khaled_a_d]

They abandonat trophies because they need to sell. Not because they don't have a very good low cost strategy in terms of signing the right promising players.

I don't know what your argument is, to make money you need to spend money. You can never avoid the risk completely.

My argument that you aren't making sense.
No club in financial trouble is paying for 16 years old CB in Croatian league before he plays. That is absolute nonsense. Such money is paid for attacking talents that have certain value.

You are using irrelevant example to prove it.

Here is BVB U18 defensive signings: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bor...=&pos=Abwehr&detailpos=&altersklasse=u18&w_s=

The only one they paid anything for is Sergio Gomez, who was midfielder at the time and it was 3M.

Transfer records

In der Statistik Transferrekorde werden die teuersten Transfers über alle Saisons hinweg angezeigt und chronologisch des Marktwertes absteigend angeordnet.

www.transfermarkt.com

This are most expensive U18 deals. All who were 10M+ were almost 18 at the deal, were either in top 5 leagues or starter with significant game time in their league. Many were busts like Breno and Bitshiabu. Luka was an exception (dral agreed in summer 2023, officially joins when he was 18)

And BVB abandoned the idea of trophies, and prioritise money. When you do that you invest in several youth that can produce high sale, because you don't care about trophies.

Barca do the opposite, they invest heavily in La Masia and B team, while prioritising investing possible penny in first team squad to win trophies.

To do both, you need funds. Barca didn't havec12M to spare in 2023

 

[serghei]

And your argument is a by the numbers one where every 16 year old CB who hasn't made it yet is the same. It completely ignores the scouting part. Which is essential. 23m for a raw player from Las Palmas with no first league experience is bad financial advice for Pedri case also. Your argument has Pedri signing a big mistake. Yet he is the best transfer we made.

 

[Andresito]

And your argument is a by the numbers one where every 16 year old CB who hasn't made it yet is the same. It completely ignores the scouting part. Which is essential. 23m for a raw player from Las Palmas with no first league experience is bad financial advice for Pedri case also. Your argument has Pedri signing a big mistake. Yet he is the best transfer we made.

Pedri was like 5m plus a lot of variables that kicked in later thanks to him being very good.

 

[khaled_a_d]

And your argument is a by the numbers one where every 16 year old CB who hasn't made it yet is the same. It completely ignores the scouting part. Which is essential. 23m for a raw player from Las Palmas with no first league experience is bad financial advice for Pedri case also. Your argument has Pedri signing a big mistake. Yet he is the best transfer we made.

Irrelevant example another time.
Pedri was Segunda starter who cost 5M + add-ons, during time of our financial dominance.

Same exact deal we have with Cardoso Varela, which is a good deal.