10 - Lamine Yamal

serghei

Senior Member
Again, when you are out of options to pass and you are pressed by a team as good as PSG, those things happen. The best way to deal with it is to improve your work off the ball. Lamine and Rashford were woeful on the night at providing options to escape their press. Olmo weak and slow also. This meant the backline was left for dead and for PSG players to feast on. On these conditions, we defended decently. Did not give away that many chances, until Balde's fuck up.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Heard the same nonsense for year about different Barca players.

For Arthur he didnt have runners so had to play safe.. Semedo no one passed to etc.

Many more but you can see what players lack and dont and both Kounde and Gerard lack on the ball and PSG played on it.

You can see in situations where they are poor and slow down the play as individuals and with the options on.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Don't change the subject. Kounde is a starter for France NT, not some weak player as you say. Seems like you expect him to be elite on the ball like Hakimi. He will never be like that.

Nor will others.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Don't change the subject. Kounde is a starter for France NT, not some weak player as you say.

Nothing at all there changed the subject...

Kounde does start for France and he will struggle for France if teams press like that.

Arthur started for Brazil.. Semedo started for Portugal.

Can still see what players lack despite excuses for them.

Pedri starts for Spain and had a better tournament at 17/18 than Kounde ever had and still got torn to shreds by some as over rated and weak etc in past few years.

Dembele as starter for France and still got said to be over rated and all faults pointed out.

Cant have it all ways.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Nothing at all there changed the subject...

Kounde does start for France and he will struggle for France if teams press like that.

Of course. You are supposed to suffer when the team doesn't provide the necessary tools to maneuver through the press.
 

Don Juan Laporta Estruch

Basta yaaaaaaa, Cabron ! y Bona nit 🥂
Interesting, so saying Mendes was better than Yamal overall in that game or even the last 2 times they faced (while getting MVP) now looks like trolling to you?

So when Yamal doesn't win a game, and someone says Yamal wasn't the best player there, that qualifies as lynching

Not sure how you have read my comment and come to the above conclusion, so let me clarify things even more.

I have already said what I think is highly unfair in regards to Lamine and somewhat of a lynching in this paragraph.

"Lynching a guy for being our best player when we were in the game and the ONLY one who created any danger and then being anonymous when surprise fucking surprise THE WHOLE TEAM WAS ANONYMOUS, is some ridiculous standards to hold an 18 year developing young player to. The fact is, if there was a fair referee, Mendes would have been off and Lamine would have been the biggest reason Barca would have probably gone on to win."

Now let me clarify what makes you a bonafide troll.

A user who hasn't posted at all after any of Barca's games, yet became very active after Barca's first defeat of the season, mainly because he feels the environment is comfortable enough to downplay Barca players. Interesting.

A user whose only previous period of activity on the forum this season was to turn up to justify why Dembele should win the Ballon Dor and any Barca player shouldn't. Interesting.

A user whose other periods of large activity here involve turning up to take the side of players that are trying to fuck Barca over, most notably when Dembele wanted to leave on the cheap. Interesting.

You turn up when Barca loses. You disappear when they win. Your opinions always side against Barca. Sounds like that Jair Ventura lad. Interesting !!!
 

serghei

Senior Member
Same excuses for Arhur and Semedo etc.

Always the fault of others when some just cant see what they lacked.

It's not excuses. It's cause and effect. Not having options to pass in time affects even the best fullbacks, let alone likes of Semedo.

It's how Villa had PSG on the ropes on Villa Park. Good intensity and aggression.
 

iniestaGOAT

Senior Member
Thierry Henry: You were about to take second yellow. If you had to go higher and they change your position because it was tough to defend Yamal, that means Mendes struggled.

King has spoken
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Again, when you are out of options to pass and you are pressed by a team as good as PSG, those things happen. The best way to deal with it is to improve your work off the ball. Lamine and Rashford were woeful on the night at providing options to escape their press. Olmo weak and slow also. This meant the backline was left for dead and for PSG players to feast on. On these conditions, we defended decently. Did not give away that many chances, until Balde's fuck up.
Off the ball movement is surely needed.

But even then, there are 100s of small tactical battles on the field.
For example, here we are talking about pressing as if the only options are good press or bad press.

But regarding pressing, there are 10s of small tactical duels by coaches like:
-- will you press with 2, 3, 5 players on the backline?
-- will you indirectly force RB to move to the line or to the inside (when trying to escape the press)
-- which midfielders will you heavily mark in order to prevent them to get the ball from defenders?

Coaches add slightly different pressing and avoiding-press tricks in almost every game.

So, sometimes it isn't about: they pressed with more passion or Rashford was bad off the ball.

Sometimes it is about: Lucho had 2 tricks in pressing which Flick hasn't seen yet.
He has surprised us.
And Flick will fix it before the next game vs Psg, unless if Lucho pulls another new little trick.

There are hundreds of different variations of pressing and getting the ball out of the back.
Sometimes even the perfect off the ball movement doesn't help if the opponent is two steps infront of you with some new intelligent movement/pressing/covering trick.

Football tactics evolve on the weekly basis.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Off the ball movement is surely needed.

But even then, there are 100s of small tactical battles on the field.
For example, here we are talking about pressing as if the only options are good press or bad press.

But regarding pressing, there are 10s of small tactical duels by coaches like:
-- will you press with 2, 3, 5 players on the backline?
-- will you indirectly force RB to move to the line or to the inside (when trying to escape the press)
-- which midfielders will you heavily mark in order to prevent them to get the ball from defenders?

Coaches add slightly different pressing and avoiding-press tricks in almost every game.

So, sometimes it isn't about: they pressed with more passion or Rashford was bad off the ball.

Sometimes it is about: Lucho had 2 tricks in pressing which Flick hasn't seen yet.
He has surprised us.
And Flick will fix it before the next game vs Psg, unless if Lucho pulls another new little trick.

There are hundreds of different variations of pressing and getting the ball out of the back.
Sometimes even the perfect off the ball movement doesn't help if the opponent is two steps infront of you with some new intelligent movement/pressing/covering trick.

Football tactics evolve on the weekly basis.

Of course. I wrote about some of those things in Flick thread. For example, Lucho often uses selective pressing. Since not all players are the same in terms of quality and influence on the game, they do not require the same approach. Advanced pressing systems have multiple factors involved, they are man oriented, position oriented, situational in regards to result and time left on the clock, and so on. It can get pretty wild and complex. And that's only pressing, let alone other tactical aspects. It's a crazy sport.

For example, let's take a player that is not supremely gifted passer, but also not a liability. And let's say he is a low-priority position, in his own half, in incipient phase of build-up.

That player would probably start unpressed, on first pass. Because he is good enough usually in that comfortable situation to bypass your press if he has time to see it and make a decision. But if he makes a pass, and the teammate gives it back to him (as we often see, ball sometimes circulates twice between players, and a player who passes the ball is always a safety option to receive it back from the target of the pass), he will start to get pressed after the ball is released and before he gets it. Why? It's all very logical and simple. Because now you can press while the ball is in motion, and before the player made a first touch. So you gain a bit more time to get in reach for the press to really pose real danger. He also sees he's going to be pressed even before he makes a first touch. That adds stress, could make him do a heavy first touch, and so on, every factor counts.

Sometimes if a player has poor ball controll, he might not be pressed much at all unless it is the danger of the position that triggers it, not the player itself. Because he won't venture into a dangerous zone and will pass the ball to a teammate, who, instead, is pressed.

There are huge variations applied here from the best strategic managers.

I like Flick, but he is much more simplistic in his vision. He needs to learn from the best. You can tell he is a young manager, with just a few years of experience.

These discussions already start with the top managers. But to get to likes of Enrique, Pep, Klopp, etc, the best ones at this aspects of the game, he has a long way to go. So... more strategy and cunningness, less idealistic desire. You can't press the same all game, you can't press the same very player, so you need an analytical and pragmatic mind also. Set your priorities, minimize your exposure, then you can really take on the best.
 
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OVI9323

Senior Member
He should definitely keep on taking Free kick, he has the talent for it and we should trust him... Genius are even harder with themself than we can be... He will still progress a lot
 

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