delancey
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That’s what everyone always says about Man U players until they get sold/loaned and then perform well for their new teams. McTominay. Antony.
Soon Garnacho and Mainoo (maybe?).
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Soon Garnacho and Mainoo (maybe?).
Maradona37
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Do you think they'll play him over Neto, though? I am really not a fan of Garnacho but not ruling out he could shine in a more stable environment. Though Chelsea are hardly stable, lol.
Where is Mainoo going? I am not a big fan of him either, but they might as well keep him. He's their best midfielder, as little as that means. But they probably need to make money due to their insane debt and selling academy products helps lots with that.
delancey
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I suppose the idea is to offer competition to his position? Hope he shines. lol
As far as Mainoo is concerned, rumor has it that he has handed in a transfer request but that Man U has rejected it because they are worried that he would perform well outside of the club like McTominay and Antony have.
Mainoo has yet to play in the EPL 25/26 if I’m not mistaken.
Maradona37
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True, competition is important, but it's Chelsea - they don't struggle for players xD
Yeah Mainoo could do that I suppose. But, on the other hand, they've proved players doing well elsewhere doesn't mean they'll do well at United, so they might as well take the money I guess.
You're right, he hasn't played yet.
In general, just feel the club is over.
delancey
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Yeah! I remember how Harvard University analyzed Alex Ferguson’s management style right after he had retired to narrow down the reasons why he (and United) had been so successful. Well… Harvard needs to do the same thing now, but instead of analyzing success, analyze all the reasons that have resulted in United becoming the basket case it’s become.
Over at RedCafe, one user was saying that the club isn’t willing to fire Amorim yet, for it would be akin to admitting to having gotten the first managerial appointment wrong (for the new owner). I cannot believe that anyone who has made it so far in life would be unwilling to admit failure and just move on, which was basically the Abramovich way with Chelsea, but it is baffling why everyone can see that change is needed, but the Man U hierarchy cannot. It always waits too long before making a change. Yet here we are!
If Amorim bounces back from this, it may be the best managerial comeback in history of football? Maybe? 🤣
Maradona37
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Yep, indeed on all of that.Yeah! I remember how Harvard University analyzed Alex Ferguson’s management style right after he had retired to narrow down the reasons why he (and United) had been so successful. Well… Harvard needs to do the same thing now, but instead of analyzing success, analyze all the reasons that have resulted in United becoming the basket case it’s become.
Over at RedCafe, one user was saying that the club isn’t willing to fire Amorim yet, for it would be akin to admitting to having gotten the first managerial appointment wrong (for the new owner). I cannot believe that anyone who has made it so far in life would be unwilling to admit failure and just move on, which was basically the Abramovich way with Chelsea, but it is baffling why everyone can see that change is needed, but the Man U hierarchy cannot. It always waits too long before making a change. Yet here we are!
If Amorim bounces back from this, it may be the best managerial comeback in history of football? Maybe? 🤣
They have a massive tendency to hold on far too long. Other clubs like Chelsea, who you reference, are/were relentless.
But United hold onto managers and players way too long. Look how long injury prone and/or poor players like Lindelof, Maguire, Phil Jones, Luke Shaw lasted at Man United. It was obvious they were not making any difference to the club, but they kept extending their contracts.
I don't know if it's that they overvalue and misjudge these players. I don't think anyone can be that daft (not even the guys who have run them over the last 12 years) so I am thinking they're just a very very sentimental club who aren't ruthless enough. Stockpiling players and deadwood is a big thing they do and I don't see it mentioned enough (outside of their own fans) as one of their problems. They talk about holding onto managers too long, but they do the same with players.
As for Amorim, he won't turn it around. It's too far gone like Ole and Ten Hag. What also interests me about him is he has been very forthright that they have to suffer before things get better, almost like they're assuming things will improve. I have always said they're just poor and they're not temporarily suffering - they are just going nowhere.
Maradona37
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Good one.
delancey
Senior Member
I think you hit the nail on the head when coining Man U a sentimental club. It was patient with Ferguson after he had been appointed, therefore it feels that it owes its managers the same amount of patience which was afforded to Ferguson. For who knows, maybe, just maybe, they will strike gold again and appoint the next Ferguson.
I would argue that those days are long gone and that few clubs appoint managers on a long-term basis anymore. Man U is desperate for an Emperor under a Republic… so to speak.
But I also think that having an owner that doesn’t bleed for the club and/or who places more emphasis on economic success rather than sporting success contributes to the hell hole United are in! Why make a change if the market place isn’t punishing the corporation economically despite its poor and embarrassing results on the field.
What will be interesting to see is how long the club will be able to continue on ignoring the sporting success without getting economically crippled. For eventually, the two will intersect. But that just goes to show you the mark Ferguson left when millions of fans are remaining loyal despite Man U literally being the worst run football club the world may ever have seen. 🤣
I would argue that those days are long gone and that few clubs appoint managers on a long-term basis anymore. Man U is desperate for an Emperor under a Republic… so to speak.
But I also think that having an owner that doesn’t bleed for the club and/or who places more emphasis on economic success rather than sporting success contributes to the hell hole United are in! Why make a change if the market place isn’t punishing the corporation economically despite its poor and embarrassing results on the field.
What will be interesting to see is how long the club will be able to continue on ignoring the sporting success without getting economically crippled. For eventually, the two will intersect. But that just goes to show you the mark Ferguson left when millions of fans are remaining loyal despite Man U literally being the worst run football club the world may ever have seen. 🤣
Lets see how long it takes for people to rate Cunha, Sesko and Mbuemo as average players.
It's just weird how all these good players turn up and get grinded into mediocrity rather quickly.
Also how costly will this season be for the club if they flop?
They went in with what was said to be a limited transfer budget and ended up, yet again, spending hugely.
It's just weird how all these good players turn up and get grinded into mediocrity rather quickly.
Also how costly will this season be for the club if they flop?
They went in with what was said to be a limited transfer budget and ended up, yet again, spending hugely.
delancey
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Yeah, the club where the careers of players and managers alike die.
And spot on about how much money the club has spent in this transfer window alone. 220m iirc (?) which is an insane amount of money.
Maradona37
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That's it exactly. They are trying to recreate the Ferguson years, but they will never come back.I think you hit the nail on the head when coining Man U a sentimental club. It was patient with Ferguson after he had been appointed, therefore it feels that it owes its managers the same amount of patience which was afforded to Ferguson. For who knows, maybe, just maybe, they will strike gold again and appoint the next Ferguson.
I would argue that those days are long gone and that few clubs appoint managers on a long-term basis anymore. Man U is desperate for an Emperor under a Republic… so to speak.
But I also think that having an owner that doesn’t bleed for the club and/or who places more emphasis on economic success rather than sporting success contributes to the hell hole United are in! Why make a change if the market place isn’t punishing the corporation economically despite its poor and embarrassing results on the field.
What will be interesting to see is how long the club will be able to continue on ignoring the sporting success without getting economically crippled. For eventually, the two will intersect. But that just goes to show you the mark Ferguson left when millions of fans are remaining loyal despite Man U literally being the worst run football club the world may ever have seen. 🤣
They still make insane revenue for a struggling club, which as you say shows the hold Ferguson's United and nostalgia still has on them. But they are in massive debt, and they keep kicking the can down the road. Like you say eventually more fans will turn their back if they continue to struggle (relatively, in terms of a big club at elite level).
They really are horrendously run, they can't do anything right.
Maradona37
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Some of the players they have signed have been poor players, other have been good and ruined.
Even among the three you mentioned; I rate Cunha and Mbeumo, but I have never rated Sesko and think he was poor scouting. But yes, it's hard to tell how much is poor players and how much is them making the players worse.
delancey
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They really cannot do anything right.
Maradona37
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It's hilarious when you think about it. Unless you support the cunts, which thankfully neither you or I doThey really cannot do anything right.
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