Barca Transfers and Rumors

[serghei]

Again, if I have to guess, it's because Barca B is tailored for players raised from an early age in La Masia. Full Barca youth products. And not players who had their formation years at other clubs in other football cultures. That's why we must lack appeal for those players.

 

[jamrock]

He probably has a easier path to the first team and less competition given the reputation of Masia.

Big teams very rarely make signings like Araujo and such, unknown player from some random league that is not followed by man big teams and makes it to the first team.

It's often times players like pedri who everyone knew would be great and we just beat other teams out.

It would be great to have a team filled with masia players and a bunch of scouted players from Ecuador, but that's just not the world big teams lives in.

You sign a couple of players for around 5-15 and park them in the b team or loan them out, but if say Villarreal/Brighton comes in for that same player and say first team and more money, they will choose those teams and rightfully so.

 

[serghei]

He probably has a easier path to the first team and less competition given the reputation of Masia.

Big teams very rarely make signings like Araujo and such, unknown player from some random league that is not followed by man big teams and makes it to the first team.

It's often times players like pedri who everyone knew would be great and we just beat other teams out.

It would be great to have a team filled with masia players and a bunch of scouted players from Ecuador, but that's just not the world big teams lives in.

You sign a couple of players for around 5-15 and park them in the b team or loan them out, but if say Villarreal/Brighton comes in for that same player and say first team and more money, they will choose those teams and rightfully so.

Good arguments, but you can leverage weak positions in the first team squad for players that have potential. That's a big argument.

I'd eliminate the Barca B stage alltogether and push those players directly in the first team. Normally, at a big team, this is not possible, because big teams have at least 2 top players for the same position and deep squads, and there's simply no room for a young player to progress very quickly.

But our situation is different to a traditional elite club. Elite clubs don't feature players like Martin in a CL semifinal. This opens up possibilities for discovering and outsourcing young players.

Unfortunately, I don't think Barca B football sounds too appealing for a non-Barcelona more mature talent. Complete outsider and not much upside.

 

[serghei]

Logically, if you can't afford top players because of financial constrains (let's say 70-90m players give or take), and you also can't afford the next best thing (young players who play for a known club in a big league already, say 30-50m), the 3rd best thing would be exactly this. Outsource younger players that haven't been landed by a serious club yet, and sign them by leveraging first team football quickly as driving argument.

 

[draconifire]

Or we can do some back room deal with Girona or Mallorca and such, saying we will loan them about 1-2 players each season.
We get those 10-15mil players, loan them straight to a team in the lower tables.
Keep them rotating as our 1st or 2nd backup.

I am sure Fatporta can achieve this.

 

[jamrock]

Good arguments, but you can leverage weak positions in the first team squad for players that have potential. That's a big argument.

I'd eliminate the Barca B stage alltogether and push those players directly in the first team. Normally, at a big team, this is not possible, because big teams have at least 2 top players for the same position and deep squads, and there's simply no room for a young player to progress very quickly.

But our situation is different to a traditional elite club. Elite clubs don't feature players like Martin on a CL semifinal. This opens up possibilities for discovering and outsourcing young players.

Unfortunately, I don't think Barca B football sounds too appealing for a non-Barcelona more mature talent. Complete outsider and not much upside.

I understand the wanting by fans to sign those kind of on the bubble players or some unknown from south America or wherever that surprises us.


But if we are being objective, the club is actually going about things the right way given out economic limitations, we reply on.

1. masia
2. Players in that 60m range that we know will almost certain work on (raphinha, Kounde, Nico*)
3. Experience free agents.

The risk of spending 20-40m on a player and he doesn't work out, just isn't justified for most big clubs, when they can add 20m and get someone like Kounde for example or get 4 players from the B team and hope in sticks.

We tried that with roque and it didn't go well.

Those 0-40m euros players are mainly for the Villarreals of the world, we will sign a few if it's like grimaldo who's contract is running down or they are in the wrong side of 20.

But generally big clubs aren't signing those players, as I said on the previous page, they want to sign players who they think will succeed in the league.

See Atleti signing Buena and cardoso as further examples.

That's the next step up for those players and if Buena does well, he'll make the other step up and cost a big team 80m and they will happily pay it.

 

[serghei]

Masia has been exhausted for the time being, speaking about immediate future. Surely if we had a winger there of quality he would have played ahead of Ansu Fati and Pau Victor. We need the next step.

Signing 60m+ top players sure is nice. But those players have to also be registered.

Free agents are more like opportunistic signings. You can't be sure a free agent is gonna be available exactly when you need to improve your squad. Also, cheap free agents at winger or fullback positions are pretty rare. You need speed to operate well on the wings, and speed + high age is not a known combo to work.

Time to get creative even at the cost of more risk. Last thing we need is us stalling by chasing Diaz and then ending up with nobody to improve the squad with apart from Garcia.

 

[jamrock]

I said this in the rashford chat, but within the context of not signing Nico, just sign him

Obviously if we signed Nico we wouldn't have signed him, but he's experienced at the highest level and is a loan, do no real risk to the signing.

It will also have the added benefit of keeping raphinha in his position, because if we signed Nico, I would see multiple games where we start both raph and Nico, which would push raphinha to the 9 or 10 position, I like him at 9, but that's a different conversation.

With Rashford he will just be a bench player used to give rest to the from 4.

Rashford ana grimaldo, we are set for next season

Sell Martin to whoever.

Improving the team for around 45m, can't argue with that

 

[Iniesta Ultra]

Pedro should be our top target for striker.

Can't believe how stupid Barca is, would've been perfect for us.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Lovro Chelfi, 18 y.o. AM signed from NK Kustošija, another Andy Bara client

Possibly the country with the tallest humans on earth, and we managed to find a talent with Riqui Puig physique.

Maybe some here who follow La Masia can tell me, but from the outside it looks like our record of talents outsourced and signed at 17-19 years of age for Barca B that progress to the first team quickly is horrible.

It is a crap shot at best, tbh.

Pedri and Araujo were massive success, some like Faye got us money, Darvich could possibly get us good fee when he get sold to Bayern in few years, some like Santiago Bueno was a bust but proved their worth in top division years later, the scouts can see talent but not timeline.

Diarra and Virgili both looks like great signings lately, Puyol, Busquets and Pedro are historical success if you go back in time, all 3 were signed at the age of 17 iirc.

Obviously, you can tailor the question to eliminate half of those, and saying that most of them didn't join B team from the start in most cases. Some started at Juvenil teams, others like Pedri skipped the B team.

However, I doubt you will see many clubs with much better success rate.

 

[Messi983]

Borja Sainz to Porto for 15m. We would ofc never look at players from the Championship but really thought he could do a solid job as squad player for affordable price. Let's see how he'll do in the @Porque chop league.

 

[Barcaman]

Pedro Rodriguez: "Which winger would I sign for Barça? I would opt for a player from the youth team. Bringing a star always generates more enthusiasm, but Barça is interested in adjusting one or two pieces and continuing to structure the rest with the academy."

 

[Barcaman]

In other news: Barcelona's chief of scouting Paulo Araujo has left the club, and is expected to join a Premier Legaue club.

— @sport

Oh no, how will we manage??

 

[Porque]

In other news: Barcelona's chief of scouting Paulo Araujo has left the club, and is expected to join a Premier Legaue club.

— @sport

Oh no, how will we manage??

Well we signed him from Burnley, where he only worked as an actual scout for 2 years in his whole career.

Been more of a sports marketing and business guy before that.

Will be OK to replace, just as long as it is not yet another position that Laporta decides to absorb into his fat cells.

 

[Raketa10]

Season is about to start and we have signed only a GK. This doesn't look good. It seams we are lost at the moment.