Hans-Dieter Flick

[Temptation]

Lewy, this season's Raphinha, Yamal are simply better goalscorers than Salah, Mane, Bobby.

You also have the Catalan Lampard and Pedri to chip in with a few goals from midfield. Wijnaldum(except against Barca in CL semis), Henderson and Fabinho couldn't really score goals.

We used to create countless amount of chances and attacking scenarios all game. Our finishing under Klopp was turd.

@Birdy Tell em.

 

[Temptation]

I think before you got your improvements in defense, you basically played a deep defense the entire match vs City in 2018 in CL. Flick didn't do that even at 3-2 vs Inter.

Klopp is much more of a pragmatic than Flick to me. Flick probably takes on City in an end to end bloodbath.

We always wanted to press high. Before 2018/19 season, we simply weren't good enough to dominate Prime Man City.

Our 17/18 season was pure entertainment and some of the Football you'll ever see. The counter attacks were insane.

City just pinned us back a lil bit because they were the finished article already at that point.

Virgil lifted us from a top 4 team to a CL/PL winning/challenging team. By far the most important and influential player in the post Gerrard era of Liverpool.

 

[Temptation]

Klopp's only weakness to me is his penchant for losing too many big games.

Only winning 1 out of 4 CL finals and even losing the Europa league final is pretty poor.

The loss to RM in 2022 was shocking. The other 2 I can excuse him for (especially RM 2018).

Nah. The 2022 final is the first one you should excuse him for.

We battered them and dominated them. Courtois just had an all timer and our attackers couldn't finish.

Klopp comfortably won the tactical battle. We can't blame him for the attackers missing and Courtois turning into a superhero. Klopp set us up to create amazing chances throughout.

 

[serghei]

2022 should have been Klopp's 2nd CL really... players let him down.

 

[Birdy]

I think in terms of pressing he's pretty much trying to do exactly the same thing as Klopp. Ofcourse the execution and personnel is different.

I see major differences. Klopp had the last line high, but did not try to play offside traps

I agree that Klopp's pressing was the best overall in the recent history of the sport

 

[KingLeo10]

Nah. The 2022 final is the first one you should excuse him for.

We battered them and dominated them. Courtois just had an all timer and our attackers couldn't finish.

Klopp comfortably won the tactical battle. We can't blame him for the attackers missing and Courtois turning into a superhero. Klopp set us up to create amazing chances throughout.

23 shots and coming up with 0 goals is on the players and manager.

By this token, Pep is excused for a whole bunch of CL losses because his teams rarely ever lose in CL while being outplayed (only 14/15 Barca and 13/14 RM come to mind).

It's up to the manager too to find a way.

 

[Birdy]

2022 should have been Klopp's 2nd CL really... players let him down.

Not really.
Courtois had the night of his life, and the usual MAdrid voodoo stuff

 

[Porque]

LEs PSG closer to Klopp than Flicks Barca.

 

[serghei]

Think Klopp had his midfield less concerned about playmaking, and more focused on pressing and defense. It's different. He took more precautions by far.

Barca has 3 ball playing creative midfielders, Klopp had likes of Milner and Henderson. It's a different approach. Liverpool played more on turnovers and counter-pressing, Flick Barca is far more dangerous in positional attacks. Cost is more exposed in transitions by far. Because off the ball players like Fabinho, Henderson, are defensively better and more intense, and robust physically.

There are many similarities in how both teams use the wings.

Barca are more likely to concede, and almost impossible to beat 1-0 like Madrid did to Liverpool.

 

[Temptation]

I see major differences. Klopp had the last line high, but did not try to play offside traps

I agree that Klopp's pressing was the best overall in the recent history of the sport

I agree on the offside trap thing but you have to remember that Alisson was an amazing sweeper keeper so many times you don't even notice the trap because he intercepted balls in behind.

Also we had a counter press system. As soon as we lost the ball, we hunted the opponents down so many times the opponents wouldn't even have the opportunity to play the ball in behind the defense. Barca doesn't really have a counter pressing system. It isn't as effective or cohesive as Klopp's counter press which absolutely suffocated the opponents.

Lastly, Barca have short CBs that are weak in the air. Virgil and Matip were man-mountains, so many times they just headed and intercepted the aerial balls in behind. Our team was elite at winning second balls and duels all around the park.

 

[Temptation]

23 shots and coming up with 0 goals is on the players and manager.

By this token, Pep is excused for a whole bunch of CL losses because his teams rarely ever lose in CL while being outplayed (only 14/15 Barca and 13/14 RM come to mind).

It's up to the manager too to find a way.

The only way you can find is to get your team to create great chances and attacking scenarios all game. Klopp did that brilliantly. He can't finish the chances himself, can he? He can't hamper Courtois' superhero performance either.

Klopp is the last person I can blame for that final.

 

[Porque]

I agree on the offside trap thing but you have to remember that Alisson was an amazing sweeper keeper so many times you don't even notice the trap because he intercepted balls in behind.

Also we had a counter press system. As soon as we lost the ball, we hunted the opponents down so many times the opponents wouldn't even have the opportunity to play the ball in behind the defense. Barca doesn't really have a counter pressing system. It isn't as effective or cohesive as Klopp's counter press which absolutely suffocated the opponents.

Lastly, Barca have short CBs that are weak in the air. Virgil and Matip were man-mountains, so many times they just headed and intercepted the aerial balls in behind. Our team was elite at winning second balls and duels all around the park.

We did first half of season but burnt out pretty quickly.

Let's see how we setup next season with a proper pre-season a tad more depth and hopefully less key injuries.

 

[serghei]

Our pressing is not gonna be as effective and consistent as Liverpool's.

The only way you can find is to get your team to create great chances and attacking scenarios all game. Klopp did that brilliantly. He can't finish the chances himself, can he? He can't hamper Courtois' superhero performance either.

Klopp is the last person I can blame for that final.

Liverpool created enough to get the title, but the difference is Barca under Flick simply has more tools to open up teams that defend deep like Madrid did.

Any match Flick's team is involved in can become a goal-fest regardless if the other team is defensive or not. Even defensive teams like Atletico and Inter know the only way is to respond with goals of your own.

 

[Temptation]

Also helps when your CB can defend half the pitch on his own even against deadly fast players like Son, Mbappe and Adama.

Will never stop twerking for this guy. Greatest CB I have seen.

 

[Horatio]

Nah. The 2022 final is the first one you should excuse him for.

We battered them and dominated them. Courtois just had an all timer and our attackers couldn't finish.

Klopp comfortably won the tactical battle. We can't blame him for the attackers missing and Courtois turning into a superhero. Klopp set us up to create amazing chances throughout.

I have always defended Klopp on this defeat.

Courtois was perfect that day indeed.

Also lucky Valverde failed shot turned into pass to vini