Hans-Dieter Flick

[jamrock]

The same bullshit I've read after every goal conceded when sitting deep. WhY dOn't We StAnD HiGhEr aNd TrY tO CoNtRoL tHe GaMe BeTtEr aNd KeEp OpPonNenT AwAy FrOm OuR GoAl.

Your assumptions are absolutely worthless. The son of Cruyff said his father would have been proud after the game and you still type this bullshit here.

edit:
That's it from me to this topic, won't do anyone good to keep going in circles. Keep your opinion you understand better than Flick how to lower the chances of conceding, it's funny.

You're just talking in circle and complete Bullshit on top of it.

We went out fighting ofc we should be proud.

But NONE goes for a 2nd goal, when leading by 1 with 5 minutes left

NONE, whether you're sitting on a coach like I am right now or standing like you seem to be 😂.

None is football thinks he did the right thing 0, because no other coach would do it.

 

[Messi983]

I couldn't care less about Johan being proud or not, we still lost the game from a winning position and additionally also wasted energy playing ET ahead of El Clasico so basically double punishment for not knowing how to play three minutes with a lead.

 

[freetocan]

I couldn't care less about Johan being proud or not, we still lost the game from a winning position and additionally also wasted energy playing ET ahead of El Clasico so basically double punishment for not knowing how to play three minutes with a lead.

True. I think we should try to forget this game, even it is so heartfelt and hope this guy learnt his lesson. IF he did not, we will most probably have many situation like that with him. Still, I want to be positive and think otherwise.
It is crystal clear that he mismanaged it big time and not only at the end of that game, in general, with not doing proper rotations when time was asking for, keeping same crap players over and over ( see Martin) and so on.
It’s time to forget and accept it as it is.
I am really afraid now about a negative result with Real Madrid, what would be a disaster…

 

[BJJ]

There's no guarantees sitting back with 10 in the box would have brought the win.
We're just not that kind of team or club.
Anyone remember all those 1 nil wins with Xavi where we would barely hold on against inferior opposition?
Well Inter would pepper the box with crosses and with their physical superiority rThere's a good chance they'd score.
Flicks whole philosophy is relentless attack and when it works its spectacular. However everything has its weaknesses and ours was exposed. You take the good with the bad. Yeah, I'm pissed off too because for me the CL will always be number one priority. I value it the highest.
However, I have to thank Flick for recovering our identity. It was lost for almost a decade. We actually look like a Barcelona team again.
I just hope we beat Real and wrap up the league. If we do that it will still be a 9 out of 10 season.

 

[draconifire]

You guys might be a bit wrong here.
https://twitter.com/JoanFontes/status/1920361262547861775

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1920379501357236429

If you look at this. Pedri was trying to keep the ball. Do it the Barca way, but Yamal ignored his directions and tried to shoot. This action later resulted in Inter having the ball, and 30sec later they score.
Would not fault Yamal or Flick.

Flick cannot communicate with every player like he is in their ears. Lack of experience is also a big part of our team.
Dying minutes of the game, the stadium is going wild, it's hard to communicate with every player at that time. Some players go by intuition, some like Yamal, might assume the Coach only wants to attack.

Edit: Also if you see that clip, only 4 players were trying to be around the box. Fermin and Yamal are both trying for that goal. Lewa making that run. And Raphinha is marking that one player and going forward to be an option. Most of our team wasn't even in that clip and hanging back. They expected to keep the ball and recycle.

 

[Messi983]

Top 5 players in minutes played in last 3 seasons (all competitions)

2024/25 - 56 games so far; possible minutes - 5.100 - including two ETs (Inter, Madrid)

1. Kounde 4.423 -86,7%
2. Pedri 4.340 -85,1%
3. Raphinha 4.327 - 84,8%
4. Yamal 4.193 - 82,2%
5. Cubarsi 3.937 - 77,2%

top 5 combined - 21.220 - 83,2%

2023/24 - 53 games; possible minutes - 4.800 - including ET against Bilbao in Copa QF

1. Gundo 4.180 -87,1%
2. Kounde 4.099 - 85,4%
3. Lewa 3.800 - 79,2%
4. Cancelo 3.318 - 69,1%
(5. MATS 3.240 - 67,5%)
6. Araujo 3.024 - 63,0%

top 5 combined - 18.421 - 76,7%

2022/23 - 53 games - possible minutes - 4.830 - including ET in Copa early round against Intercity and Betis in Supercopa SF

(1. MATS 4.458 -92,2%)
2. Lewa 3.954 -81,9%
3. Gavi 3.527 - 73,0%
4. Kounde 3.456 - 71,6%
5. Busi 3.284 - 68,0%
6. FDJ 3.283 - 68,0%

top 5 combined - 17.504 -72,5%

Apologize in advance for some possible miscalculations.


I've excluded MATS because he was injured in both of last two seasons and would otherwise probably have most minutes in both. And well, GKs don't get rested/rotated that much.

But difference in top player's (over)usage this season compared to last two is pretty significant. Ofc injuries play a role and nowadays with schedules so packed no team is immune to them but more should be done to keep the squad fresh(er) imo.

We mostly agreed that Gundo played too much last season and Kounde has been overplayed for two years so no wonder he eventually broke down at the worst possible moment. 100+ consecutive games (most as a starter) is just insane. And in those few games he didn't start this season it was because he was late to trainings/team meetings (I often thought that was intentional to at least get some rest against easier opponents) or he would play 200-300 minutes more.

I think ideally you want to keep your best players around 80% of minutes played which in a "normal" season translate below 4.000 total minutes. But this season we already have four players well over that mark with Cubarsi, very likely Inigo (3.796) and possibly Lewa (3.702) hitting 4.000 minutes as well in last 4 games.

 

[jamrock]

True. I think we should try to forget this game, even it is so heartfelt and hope this guy learnt his lesson. IF he did not, we will most probably have many situation like that with him. Still, I want to be positive and think otherwise.
It is crystal clear that he mismanaged it big time and not only at the end of that game, in general, with not doing proper rotations when time was asking for, keeping same crap players over and over ( see Martin) and so on.
It’s time to forget and accept it as it is.
I am really afraid now about a negative result with Real Madrid, what would be a disaster…

You guys might be a bit wrong here.
https://twitter.com/JoanFontes/status/1920361262547861775

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1920379501357236429

If you look at this. Pedri was trying to keep the ball. Do it the Barca way, but Yamal ignored his directions and tried to shoot. This action later resulted in Inter having the ball, and 30sec later they score.
Would not fault Yamal or Flick.

Flick cannot communicate with every player like he is in their ears. Lack of experience is also a big part of our team.
Dying minutes of the game, the stadium is going wild, it's hard to communicate with every player at that time. Some players go by intuition, some like Yamal, might assume the Coach only wants to attack.

Edit: Also if you see that clip, only 4 players were trying to be around the box. Fermin and Yamal are both trying for that goal. Lewa making that run. And Raphinha is marking that one player and going forward to be an option. Most of our team wasn't even in that clip and hanging back. They expected to keep the ball and recycle.

This is a terrible clip TBH, others from above shows how shit the shape of the team was.

Also pedri didn't try to slow down, he just did what he had to, in order to find space for the pass

 

[draconifire]

This is a terrible clip TBH, others from above shows how shit the shape of the team was.

Also pedri didn't try to slow down, he just did what he had to, in order to find space for the pass

He pointed out Yamal to pass at a specific area, and then called/yelled (he had his arms up) when Yamal started to run towards the goal.

 

[KingLeo10]

Top 5 players in minutes played in last 3 seasons (all competitions)

2024/25 - 56 games so far; possible minutes - 5.100 - including two ETs (Inter, Madrid)

1. Kounde 4.423 -86,7%
2. Pedri 4.340 -85,1%
3. Raphinha 4.327 - 84,8%
4. Yamal 4.193 - 82,2%
5. Cubarsi 3.937 - 77,2%

top 5 combined - 21.220 - 83,2%

2023/24 - 53 games; possible minutes - 4.800 - including ET against Bilbao in Copa QF

1. Gundo 4.180 -87,1%
2. Kounde 4.099 - 85,4%
3. Lewa 3.800 - 79,2%
4. Cancelo 3.318 - 69,1%
(5. MATS 3.240 - 67,5%)
6. Araujo 3.024 - 63,0%

top 5 combined - 18.421 - 76,7%

2022/23 - 53 games - possible minutes - 4.830 - including ET in Copa early round against Intercity and Betis in Supercopa SF

(1. MATS 4.458 -92,2%)
2. Lewa 3.954 -81,9%
3. Gavi 3.527 - 73,0%
4. Kounde 3.456 - 71,6%
5. Busi 3.284 - 68,0%
6. FDJ 3.283 - 68,0%

top 5 combined - 17.504 -72,5%

Apologize in advance for some possible miscalculations.


I've excluded MATS because he was injured in both of last two seasons and would otherwise probably have most minutes in both. And well, GKs don't get rested/rotated that much.

But difference in top player's (over)usage this season compared to last two is pretty significant. Ofc injuries play a role and nowadays with schedules so packed no team is immune to them but more should be done to keep the squad fresh(er) imo.

We mostly agreed that Gundo played too much last season and Kounde has been overplayed for two years so no wonder he eventually broke down at the worst possible moment. 100+ consecutive games (most as a starter) is just insane. And in those few games he didn't start this season it was because he was late to trainings/team meetings (I often thought that was intentional to at least get some rest against easier opponents) or he would play 200-300 minutes more.

I think ideally you want to keep your best players around 80% of minutes played which in a "normal" season translate below 4.000 total minutes. But this season we already have four players well over that mark with Cubarsi, very likely Inigo (3.796) and possibly Lewa (3.702) hitting 4.000 minutes as well in last 4 games.

Welcome back to serious posting, brother.

Great analysis.

 

[serghei]

Let this subject to rest. Flick made a mistake. It happens. He is not perfect. If he was also a pragmatist and a realist, he'd be even better than Pep and Klopp.

The offensive edge of his football is 2nd to none. Let's not forget he is a manager with only a few years of experience. First time this happened to him. He will learn for the future.

What's the point of going on and on with this. It's clear he made a mistake that probably cost him a CL final and we move on to finish the season with all domestic titles. Nothing you can do about it now anyway. You cannot repeat those 3 minutes. We exposed ourselves and Inter sucker punched us.

 

[serghei]

I'll add this. Remember Barca vs United in 2009 and 2011 finals? That team never needed to protect the leads because it was stacked to the max with quality everywhere on the pitch. If we had Abidal and Puyol/Mascherano in defense, instead of Araujo the terrorist and Martin the rookie, Flick would have never needed to change his approach not even for a second. Hell, tie would have been over long time before the last minutes.

The problem for Flick is that he knew the players we had in defense were susceptible to all sorts of individual errors. All of them. So he should have adjusted because that's what elite managers do, they maximize their chances with the players they have, not with the players they wish they had. Case closed.

I consider myself a Flick fan but a realist. Vs Inter not only the squad showed its limtations but also the manager showed his limited experience of these situations. It was the first time Flick played a CL semifinal in a stadium full of opposition fans. Keep that in mind and accept that the man is in its own separate journey to become a truly great manager that can mark an era.

 

[jamrock]

I'll add this. Remember Barca vs United in 2009 and 2011 finals? That team never needed to protect the leads because it was stacked to the max with quality everywhere on the pitch. If we had Abidal and Puyol/Mascherano in defense, instead of Araujo the terrorist and Martin the rookie, Flick would have never needed to change his approach not even for a second. Hell, tie would have been over long time before the last minutes.

The problem for Flick is that he knew the players we had in defense were susceptible to all sorts of individual errors. All of them. So he should have adjusted because that's what elite managers do, they maximize their chances with the players they have, not with the players they wish they had. Case closed.

I thought you said you'd leave it lol, has to get the last word in.

Then the last word is nonsense, those teams never needed to protect leads because they are two of the best teams ever 😂, what point are you even trying to make lol.

Like you said the game would have been over, so why even bring up that point


And to top it off they defended in possession, which is what people are saying we should have done in the last 5 minutes.

Keep the ball
Shit house
If all else fails sit deep.

Flick fucked up, no excuses.

Full stop now let's move on

Don't push for an unnecessary goal.

 

[MonteCuler]

We would have most likely won the treble if we would have defended and sat on the ball for just 5 minutes. Infuriating.

We would have most likely won jackshit if he didn't somehow make a feared superteam out of trophyless team with no depth

He deserves criticism but calm your tits, he's still doing a good job. If he somehow loses the league, this can be questioned - but he won't.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Welcome back to serious posting, brother.

Great analysis.

If you troll about Barca but youre a Messi fan --> brother 🐰

If you criticise Messi's hairstyle ---> biggest troll itw 🐰

@Temptation
🤣🤣

 

[serghei]

I thought you said you'd leave it lol, has to get the last word in.

Then the last word is nonsense, those teams never needed to protect leads because they are two of the best teams ever 😂, what point are you even trying to make lol.

Like you said the game would have been over, so why even bring up that point


And to top it off they defended in possession, which is what people are saying we should have done in the last 5 minutes.

Keep the ball
Shit house
If all else fails sit deep.

Flick fucked up, no excuses.

Full stop now let's move on

Don't push for an unnecessary goal.

No excuses, he fucked up. That's what I'm saying also if you read carefully.

Just move on and accept it. The man is not experienced at this level. COVID season that looked like a training with no fans is nowhere near relevant.

I'll leave it but I want to know what your angle is. So what if he fucked up? He overachieved already so far big time and inspired fans who didn't even dare to dream of a treble in may of 2025.

Messi fecked up vs Chelsea in 2012 and missed a penalty that would have brought us a 2nd consecutive CL title most likely.