4 - Ronald Araújo

[serghei]

Not sure many of you know wbat zonal marking is about. I am getting that feeler. Same way one other dude here was arguing with me that Flick instructed his defensers to mix man marking and zonal marking.

Should have listened to that person that told you this before me. That's what you do when the opponent has too many threats in the air and you are at a height disadvantage.

 

[Gazzznigga]

That's exactly why man to man is not good in this case. And the reason why our supposedly strongest player in the air was not used to man mark an opponent but mark the zone.

😆 🤣 😂....what is this dude writing?? Who does zonal marking on corners? Do you know what zonal marking is ?????

Lord have mercy!!

 

[serghei]

There's many articles online explaining the mix of zonal with man-to-man marking on corners, and the benefits of mixing those up. Look it up and inform yourself before you engage in these discussions again.

 

[khaled_a_d]

The picture shows nothing, and watching the video, it was on the far post beyond his zone.

Blaming one player in this is nonsense, we have been conceding corners for fun.

Araujo was on the right place, maybe not on the right guy though.

But that is more of a coaching problem rather than one player issue.

Lack of height is also real, our starting lineup had G.Martin as our tallest outfield player at 1.86m, with 5 players taller than him at Inter.

 

[serghei]

The picture shows nothing, and watching the video, it was on the far post beyond his zone.

Blaming one player in this is nonsense, we have been conceding corners for fun.

Araujo was on the right place, maybe not on the right guy though.

But that is more of a coaching problem rather than one player issue.

Lack of height is also real, our starting lineup had G.Martin as our tallest outfield player at 1.86m, with 5 players taller than him at Inter.

Not true. He is in the center of 6m box and the ball is played very much near him. He hesitates and takes himself out. First he makes a move to the near post for some reason if you look at the video.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Not true. He is in the center of 6m box and the ball is played very much near him. He hesitates and takes himself out. First he makes a move to the near post for some reason if you look at the video.

A meter and half behind him isn't near. There is no way he could catch it.

 

[serghei]

A meter and half behind him isn't near. There is no way he could catch it.

Araujo first moves towards first post for no reason at all, then mistimes his job. That's his area. I disagree it's not on him mostly.

 

[serghei]

The reason why he doesn't catch it is because he does a piss poor job at reading the cross.

 

[MagIX]

Absolutely. There is so much one player could have done across the entire line.

that's THE PROBLEM.
Obviously, with the players we have, we inevitably end up with a player like Olmo on Dumfries
Inzaghi knew it.
Often a cross and a header are enough to win the game.
We absolutely need to fix this for the second leg. Hopefully Lewa will be available. Araujo and Christensen must be considered as potential starters.

 

[Gazzznigga]

That's where your football knowledge shows its limits. With statements like that.

Tell me which player does Araujo mark in the picture I showed you. He is obviously the one that doesn't have marking. Him and Raphinha are doing zonal. Raphinha guarding the first post, and Araujo guarding the 6m space.

Lol...simple answer.

Let me attempt to educate you.

Right from the academies we were taught, while doing video analysis on set pieces, players would be pre-assigned to opposing players to mark based on various factors and many scenarios. Only the keepers could change that arrangement if he sees gaps or unmarked players. In all cases the arrangement
was such that there would be one or two "free" in the middle of the box or close to the uprights to plug gaps spaces(not zones). Araujo was the "free" man.

This is why you see players pursue themselves around in the box for corners in an attempt to stick to their man. If it was zonal marking, once you leave my zone, I hand you over to the defender of that zone and stick to my zone even if there is no ine there (more like control towers do for aeroplanes when travelling across many zones or countries)

Nobody does zonal marking for set pieces. Zonal marking is complex and transitional. Set pieces are static situations.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Araujo first moves towards first post for no reason at all, then mistimes his job. That's his area. I disagree it's not on him mostly.

Exactly my point, he wasn't to ask that area, he attempted to clear it but was a good cross. Absolutely not on him

 

[Windhook]

Of course I blame him for the corner goal, no excuses. But I don't understand the big emotions to single out Araujo for the 3-3 draw. Our whole defence and Tek sucked throughout the game.

 

[Gazzznigga]

The reason why he doesn't catch it is because he does a piss poor job at reading the cross.

Now you are individualising it again with some ad hominen fallacy. Obvious this was pre-conceived and not situational.

Bro, you are going in cirles.

 

[jamrock]

Sorry to ask this bro, did you actually watch the replay of that goal before typing this?
Did you see who lost Dumfries for the free header or you had this typed well ahed of the match?

Footage and analysis per ESPN Soccer TV this morning and match reports by Sportmole showed Olmo was marking Dumfries and lost him for the goal. The video footage also showed Olmo cursing for losing his target forbthe corner. How was Arsujo meant to mark all the players in the box because he is tall?

I like Araujo as a player but dont shy away from rapping him out when he messes up. In this case, he was not at fault for the goal. You can look for any other area where he did not domwell but for that goal, naah!!



Common man!!!!

You're right on this one, IDK how this goal became his fault, all one needs to do is watch the reply

 

[JamDav1982]

Olmo lost Dumfries on both goals but Araujo could have done more also.

Jumping and missing ball adds nothing there and ends up with back turned as they win it.