JamDav1982
Senior Member
No.. FDJ is the midfielder.. there is no scenario he should be back marking the lone striker as CBs go spare either side.
The CBs are too high and too wide and fell asleep.
La Liga Round 32: Barca - Celta 4-3
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No.. FDJ is the midfielder.. there is no scenario he should be back marking the lone striker as CBs go spare either side.
The CBs are too high and too wide and fell asleep.
serghei
Senior Member
Except he isn't. He is a CB there in a back 3. Like he was in the 2nd goal when he also fucked it up.
It was probably done to have Inigo and Cubarsi in charge with build-up on the sides more than fecking Martin.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
No he isnt.. he is positioned as a midfielder.. and told Cubarsi when came out to pick up the striker.
There is zero chance Flick wants FDJ marking the CF there. It makes zero sense.
That is on the CBs.
There is no chance whatsoever Flick wants FDJ picking up Borja there.
serghei
Senior Member
You're simply wrong. If he is a midfielder he is not in line with Cubarsi and Inigo.
He is more advanced and Inigo and Cubarsi are behind him in a narrower shape.
We simply transitioned to a back 3 at some point and De Jong fecked it up as a CB.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
No you are wrong.,
There is zero chance Flick wants FDJ to pick up the striker there.
It is on the CBs to mark him.
Cubarsi and Inigo are in line as they are far too high up/wide and oblivious to the one player between them they should be marking.
serghei
Senior Member
He was a midfielder here also?
Come on... it was obvious it was an in game adjustment that De Jong botched completely.
Flick wanted to build wide with Cubarsi and Inigo and he dropped Frenkie. In this way, he had 3 deep players in charge with build-up who are good on the ball and able to progress the ball better. Especially as Kounde and Martin had stinkers on the ball.
De Jong simply performed like a clueless CB there when tasked with this, causing us to concede two goals.
Look at the image, De Jong is clearly marking Borja. Same as for the 3rd goal, but he fecked it up. It doesn't mean I hate De Jong, but the roles were clear and he fecked it up.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
No you are wrong and this was discussed yesterday.
From their goal kicks as Flick often does he will get FDJ to go back on the CF and put the CBs wide.. probably so have x3 of height to try and cope with it and not easier ball out of the x3.
That is what was happening on 2nd goal and FDJ fucked up thinking Inigo was going for ball.
The third is nothing like that. It is general play where Flick absolutely will not want FDJ marking the CF.
The other difference is that second goal is on half way line. On the third the Barca CBs are 20 yds in their own half marking no one at all and far too wide. Unlike the photo above when both marking wider players and deeper.
The x2 situations are nothing alike. Not even remotely. The second is on the CBs more than anyone.
From their goal kicks as Flick often does he will get FDJ to go back on the CF and put the CBs wide.. probably so have x3 of height to try and cope with it and not easier ball out of the x3.
That is what was happening on 2nd goal and FDJ fucked up thinking Inigo was going for ball.
The third is nothing like that. It is general play where Flick absolutely will not want FDJ marking the CF.
The other difference is that second goal is on half way line. On the third the Barca CBs are 20 yds in their own half marking no one at all and far too wide. Unlike the photo above when both marking wider players and deeper.
The x2 situations are nothing alike. Not even remotely. The second is on the CBs more than anyone.
serghei
Senior Member
So, you're saying that in the above image De Jong is obviously marking Borja, but for the 3rd goal no, it wasn't on him? 
You even see De Jong making a sign to Cubarsi to take on Borja, but basically gives him no time to do so. Poor Cubarsi is caught off guard.
When you hand a marker like that, it's not enough to just signal to some player to take Borja on. You have to make sure that player is in a position to do it, before you go forward. He simply behaved like a child. Oh it's much cooler to just join the attack than to guard my man, let's do that.
If this was a test for Inter match by some chance, De Jong failed it badly.
You even see De Jong making a sign to Cubarsi to take on Borja, but basically gives him no time to do so. Poor Cubarsi is caught off guard.When you hand a marker like that, it's not enough to just signal to some player to take Borja on. You have to make sure that player is in a position to do it, before you go forward. He simply behaved like a child. Oh it's much cooler to just join the attack than to guard my man, let's do that.
If this was a test for Inter match by some chance, De Jong failed it badly.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Yes clear difference between the two as explained to you.
There is zero chance whatsoever Flick wants FDJ marking the CF for where the game was on third goal.
There is zero chance whatsoever Flick wants FDJ marking the CF for where the game was on third goal.
serghei
Senior Member
Your explanation makes no sense. The images speak much more clearly than your assumptions about what Flick may want or don't want.
That's actually my main beef with you. There's nice football discussions to be had, but you're so stubborn you won't even concede anything, just pushing things into a "yes, he did, no he didn't" loop.
That's actually my main beef with you. There's nice football discussions to be had, but you're so stubborn you won't even concede anything, just pushing things into a "yes, he did, no he didn't" loop.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Explanation makes complete sense for the difference between the two.
I can tell you with 100% certainty Flick does not want FDJ back marking the CF when Barca have the ball in opposition box.
First image is a goal kick where FDJ often picks up CF. Compltetly different scenario.
snowy
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serghei
Senior Member
Then the alternative is somehow FDJ went rogue against Flick's wishes, because it's clear he positioned himself between the CBs in both the 2nd and 3rd goals to allow the two CBs to occupy wider positions.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
No.. he was not marking him.
So nothing 'rogue'.
Again.. the only reason he was between the CBs is because of where they positioned themselves.. they were out of position.
It is nothing like the second goal.
There is no chance whatsoever with Barca having ball in Celta box Flick wants FDJ to mark the CF. That is ridiculous claim.
That is not when CBs get 'split' at all.
There's Fort too. (Can't see it unless on twitter) Seems to me some of the players were pissed as they were hoping to play here, with tight schedule and everything.
Maybe Flick is being too much of a friend with everyone.
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