Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi V2

ajnotkeith

Senior Member
All reports from Barcelona to Argentina to France have been unanimous about Barca and him being fine with being on the same salary as Lewandowski, but just because the move didn't happen we're going to pretend and make up stories about how he probably wanted more?

The reasons for why this didn't happen might not be as complex as some of you make it out to be. Could be a simple case of him not trusting Laporta or the other people in charge apart from Xavi and not being willing to live in the dark for another month.

At the end of the day it's probably the best decision for him and Barca both as we need to get younger, fitter, faster instead of going the other way.
If he accepts the same salary as Lewandowski, there is little reason why we wouldn't be able to give him a guarantee before June 30 (the day his actual current contract ends, he can't even sign for any club until then).
We are already bringing Inigo and Neves. There's no way we couldn't be able to offer a 15m or so contract by June 30 if that's what he wanted.
I don't believe it to be so though, the guy loves money and knows his worth. He's living it up in Miami now in a retirement league making huge stacks, that's all he wanted, from his perspective, I can't blame him.

He has achieved everything and just wants to cash out now, he was never interested in Barca.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
If he accepts the same salary as Lewandowski, there is little reason why we wouldn't be able to give him a guarantee before June 30 (the day his actual current contract ends, he can't even sign for any club until then).
We are already bringing Inigo and Neves. There's no way we couldn't be able to offer a 15m or so contract by June 30 if that's what he wanted.
I don't believe it to be so though, the guy loves money and knows his worth. He's living it up in Miami now in a retirement league making huge stacks, that's all he wanted, from his perspective, I can't blame him.

He has achieved everything and just wants to cash out now, he was never interested in Barca.

We're currently under the 1:4 rule and there is no guarantee we'd be able to sort out that issue by June 30th.

Could be by Mid-July or end of July or early August. Obviously we can still offer players contracts and work on getting the job done to get under the 1:1 rule and register our signings or potential signings, but that depends on our viability plan working out which means player sales and/or significant salary cuts.

With the plan La Liga approved we can currently register Araujo, Gavi, but not Inigo Martinez from what I have read unless I'm wrong.

Last season it took us until the end of August to register Kounde and that was with all the levers which aren't available for us this year.

To me it's completely understandable if Messi for his own and his family's sake want his future sorted out well before then.

Money is obviously a big deal too, but I don't think money was the reason this fell through, and it's been reported pretty much everywhere that his potential salary wasn't a problem.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Every single time & I do mean

Every
Single
Time.

Barca forum tries to read the tea leaves about anything re the club, they are always always wrong.

Yet they never seem to learn.

Let the dust settle & let the people words speak for themselves, they are all grown millionaires and billionaires, they aren't afraid to speak their minds.


Funny that the people who are most upset or trying to put 2 & 2 together are mainly the ones who didn't want him to come.

He said he didn't want to wait, believe him, whether you like it or not.
 

KingLeo10

Senior Member
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Barcaforum version of the Three Musketeers :clown:
 

Messi983

Senior Member
If money would be his primary goal I think we can all agree he'd go to SA not Miami.

If he accepts the same salary as Lewandowski, there is little reason why we wouldn't be able to give him a guarantee before June 30 (the day his actual current contract ends, he can't even sign for any club until then).
We are already bringing Inigo and Neves. There's no way we couldn't be able to offer a 15m or so contract by June 30 if that's what he wanted.
I don't believe it to be so though, the guy loves money and knows his worth. He's living it up in Miami now in a retirement league making huge stacks, that's all he wanted, from his perspective, I can't blame him.

He has achieved everything and just wants to cash out now, he was never interested in Barca.

Inigo reportedly has a clause in his contract he'll go on loan or be released if we won't be able to register him. No chance Messi would agree to this. Would have better options if he wouldn't have a bad experience from 2021 but then again we wouldn't be in this situation if he would never leave so this is irrelevant.

Inigo is coming here to potentially win some silverware in his career, Messi has nothing more to prove. Totally different cases.

Wouldn't really believe Neves is a done deal. I think it depends on Ansu going to Wolves which is very unlikely. And tbh I hope it won't happen because 1. I'd like to give Ansu (I get why club wants to sell him from FFP perspective though) another season and 2. I don't think Neves is what we need and neither does Xavi who doesn't see him as a DM so why even bring him? We're in no position to do favors to Mendes.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
LaLiga set a minimum baseline value for a players wage towards the salary cap based on ability and past contracts, this value was said to be 12m, so the lowest that his wage could've counted towards FFP was 12m a year.

That is a bs.
And Alves signing proves there is no way Messi new salary is related to his 1st one.
S. Roberto renewal also the same.

All reports from Barcelona to Argentina to France have been unanimous about Barca and him being fine with being on the same salary as Lewandowski,


Which one? Lew is on 18M or so next season, which is significant amount.
Also salary is tricky, every player who sign has a signing bonus, agent fees along other stuff.
I don't blame Messi for anything, maybe I think he should have moved to KSA and get the bigger deal, but Messi connecting with superstars in US and investing there, he might end up with a bigger package on the long run.
But there are many signs that the deal was there for actually very long time (even before World Cup) and there is no way Messi didn't knew the issues with the club in advance.
At the end, both sides seemed unnecessarily apologetic about the situation
 

ajnotkeith

Senior Member
We're currently under the 1:4 rule and there is no guarantee we'd be able to sort out that issue by June 30th.

Could be by Mid-July or end of July or early August. Obviously we can still offer players contracts and work on getting the job done to get under the 1:1 rule and register our signings or potential signings, but that depends on our viability plan working out which means player sales and/or significant salary cuts.

With the plan La Liga approved we can currently register Araujo, Gavi, but not Inigo Martinez from what I have read unless I'm wrong.

Last season it took us until the end of August to register Kounde and that was with all the levers which aren't available for us this year.

To me it's completely understandable if Messi for his own and his family's sake want his future sorted out well before then.

Money is obviously a big deal too, but I don't think money was the reason this fell through, and it's been reported pretty much everywhere that his potential salary wasn't a problem.
Just observe the 3 'main' options : Inter Miami, Al Hilal, and Barcelona (and we find out today that we weren't really an option for him) so basically just Inter Miami and Al Hilal.
Those two teams are quite clearly retirement/cash out destinations, something normal for a player reaching the end of his career. So obviously he has mainly been looking for a cashout contract.

Note that he also left us for PSG and Laporta didn't consider it worth to sell any assets to sign him at that time, whilst doing that for a transfer market the next summer.

Like I said, it's understandable, I would probably do the same in his shoes, he has achieved everything possible at the top level and just wants to chill and make a stack of money now.

Judging by the teams he was speaking to, and the situation around when he left, I don't think we had near enough money to offer him.
 

ajnotkeith

Senior Member
If money would be his primary goal I think we can all agree he'd go to SA not Miami.



Inigo reportedly has a clause in his contract he'll go on loan or be released if we won't be able to register him. No chance Messi would agree to this. Would have better options if he wouldn't have a bad experience from 2021 but then again we wouldn't be in this situation if he would never leave so this is irrelevant.

Inigo is coming here to potentially win some silverware in his career, Messi has nothing more to prove. Totally different cases.

Wouldn't really believe Neves is a done deal. I think it depends on Ansu going to Wolves which is very unlikely. And tbh I hope it won't happen because 1. I'd like to give Ansu (I get why club wants to sell him from FFP perspective though) another season and 2. I don't think Neves is what we need and neither does Xavi who doesn't see him as a DM so why even bring him? We're in no position to do favors to Mendes.
He's making a ton of money off this deal, no question about that.

Apparently 54 million base + a ton of bonuses in percentages of TV rights (Apple), partnerships with Adidas etc. Might end up being close to the figures of Saudi in the long long run, even if not the same.
Miami being a way better place to live definitely swung the deal.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
He's making a ton of money off this deal, no question about that.

Apparently 54 million base + a ton of bonuses in percentages of TV rights (Apple), partnerships with Adidas etc. Might end up being close to the figures of Saudi in the long long run, even if not the same.
Miami being a way better place to live definitely swung the deal.

Short term he would get far more in SA. It's not like he wouldn't get tons of additional sponsorship money there as well combined with astronomical wages. Don't expect it to happen but who knows, maybe in 2-3 years he could still go to Arabia as well. Sheiks are butthurt now that he rejected them but will get over it in time.

But moving to the States is clearly a good strategic move. And another potential reason for going there that not many people are mentioning right now is so he can acclimatize to USA before playing Copa America there next year and potentially WC 2026 as well.
 

ajnotkeith

Senior Member
Leo made the best possible decision for him and for Barca. At 36y of age this was the most logical step. Good luck GOAT in the next chapter of your career! I hope you will get the well deserved farewell game in the New Camp Nou.
This was the best decision for both sides.

Messi gets to live the life in Miami and make a ton of money, we get to move forward with our own sporting project finally and just split amicably and give him a testimonial game in a couple years.

Like others are saying this saga was pointless, both sides felt pressured to make something happen for some reason when neither really wanted it (except Xavi).
 

Don Juan Laporta Estruch

Well-known member
Let's just move on. It was clear that Messi wanted to come back. He wouldn't have been strong favourite with the bookies for months if he didn't. He wanted it sorted out early due to being screwed over last time by leaving it late and our financial mess couldn't offer that so he jumped to Miami.

No point mud slinging to Messi or the club. We simply didn't have no levers to pull this time around. Messi isn't a saint who wanted to come and play for a lifetime supply of yerba mate. Neither is he a green eyed devil whose only priority was how many zeros they put on his contract.

He's somewhere in the middle. A normal fucking hombre, who becomes an alien when you put a ball at his feet.

Basta ya !
 

Devils

Senior Member
Never made sense for him to come here.

This Barca team has like 5 good players and the rest are average to complete trash. Not to mention, the club is in financial ruin, president is a conman and the coach is mid-table level at best.

If he wanted to stay in Europe, it makes sense for him to go to a team like City where he could play a secondary role and slot into a well oiled machine. That's aside from the fact that City wouldn't even want to sign him given how stacked they are.

And to be honest, even in Miami he will probably play with players who are better than the likes of Sergi Roberto, Ferran Torres, Eric Garca and Marcos Alonso lol!
 

soul24rage

Senior Member
Just observe the 3 'main' options : Inter Miami, Al Hilal, and Barcelona (and we find out today that we weren't really an option for him) so basically just Inter Miami and Al Hilal.
Those two teams are quite clearly retirement/cash out destinations, something normal for a player reaching the end of his career. So obviously he has mainly been looking for a cashout contract.

Note that he also left us for PSG and Laporta didn't consider it worth to sell any assets to sign him at that time, whilst doing that for a transfer market the next summer.

Like I said, it's understandable, I would probably do the same in his shoes, he has achieved everything possible at the top level and just wants to chill and make a stack of money now.

Judging by the teams he was speaking to, and the situation around when he left, I don't think we had near enough money to offer him.
Where are you getting this from?

For the 2nd point, PSG would have never let Messi go, especially to Barcelona lol

Money is important to him, but not to the point where you exaggerate about it. Otherwise he would have just signed a contract with a Saudi club already.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
I don't doubt that Messi thought about coming back or at least entertained such thought, however all along I think we were most likely a distant second, if not third option, if things had turned favorable for us (La Liga approves the viability plan, we clear enough room to accommodate him etc.) quick enough instead of possibly dragging through the summer with no end in sight, he probably would have given it a more serious thought.

I'd venture to guess that Miami has been his first option for a while, there is no way he decided to join them last-minute due to us failing to come through etc., they probably had started talking a while ago and reached some sort of agreement for him to join if he chooses so. It all makes more sense, Miami offers something new, much more relaxing (at this stage of his career when he has won everything, he doesn't care about another trophy anymore, family comes first) and less toxic (with all the media talking about him in Barcelona and elsewhere in Spain and his strained relationship with Laporta etc.) compared to returning to Barcelona. He expands his brand and business in the US while his family enjoys nice life.

It was the media, the likes of Gerard Romero creating and instilling this sense of false narrative and hope that there was a great likelihood that he would return. More like their wishful thinking got in the way of rational reporting.
 

BJJ

Well-known member
This was the best decision for both sides.

Messi gets to live the life in Miami and make a ton of money, we get to move forward with our own sporting project finally and just split amicably and give him a testimonial game in a couple years.

Like others are saying this saga was pointless, both sides felt pressured to make something happen for some reason when neither really wanted it (except Xavi).
Exactly 💯.

He won't damage his great legacy here and we can move forward. Win win for both parties. I'm honestly happy this didn't happen.
 

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