Xavi Hernández

[Windhook]

@BBZ, but the current generation of youngsters is the best in the last 10 years. Has any other youngster in the past 10 years won the golden boy award, did any one of them got called up for the national team. Pedri, Gavi and Fati all did that, they did more in a season, than any youngster of the past 10 years in their whole careers. These generation is already different, because they are not only hyped by Barcaforum, but by the whole world.

You would write the same about our golden generation before they realized their potential. You would call Messi injury prone, Xavi and Iniesta would be to similar, they would never work together, Puyol would lack technical ability for a top team, Valdes would be error prone.

I'm not saying that this generation will be as good as that, but they are better than any that came after our golden generation, and they proved it on the pitch, they did the one thing that you always criticized our past youngsters for.

Absolutely support your view. This 2002-04 generation of talented players (Gavi/Pedri/Ansu/Nico) who break through the ranks is something we haven't seen since the 1987-88 generation of Messi/Busquets/Pique/Pedro.

The community completely backs (except for BBZ and few other nostalgics) these kids because they have huge potential and manage to perform on level at such young age. Also they cost us nothing, one of the few good aspects of the financial crisis at the club - we focused our attention back at La Masia and kudos to Koeman for doing this. Hope more kids will come through, it's a great time at the academy right now, I'm certain of this.

I thought of our mercenaries and why they perform below expectations. First of all it's the weight of their transfer value. I believe Coutinho would have performed better if his transfer was around 70m, the pressure of it I think brought some anxiety to his game, to deliver goals and assists immediately. Also a poor decision on the coaching staff who played Cou as LW in our 4-3-3, Klopp used the same formation, but the Brazilian played as AM behind the LW at Liverpool. Again I don't know if it's a contract clause thing like Gareth Bale who transformed from LWB into LW overnight the moment he signed for Real Madrid.

 

[Messigician]

Bayern, Liverpool, even City. Neither bought anyone over 100m. Our problem was actually believing in the superstar story too much with flops like Coutinho, Dembele.

City's top 3, their best top 3 is basically Foden - Jesus - Silva atm probably. Or somewhere along the line. What's the cost of that?

What's the cost of Coman - Lewa - Gnabry?

What's the cost of Mane - Firmino - Salah, the CL winning trio of Liverpool?

WHATTTTTTTTTTTT

Bayern spent 80m on fkn lucas, and they benefit from a league they can poach all talent from as germans never wanna leave germany.

City got memed for spending big on sterling and stones, spending more on defence than many countries, as well their comical flops they can just write off such as Mangala which we dont have the luxury of doing

Liverpool?

LMFAO

memed for the van dijk and alisson signings and we funded their rebuild anyway for 160 fkn milliion for coutinho

 

[serghei]

WHATTTTTTTTTTTT

Bayern spent 80m on fkn lucas, and they benefit from a league they can paoch all talent from as germans never wanna leave germany.

City got memed for spending big on sterling and stones, spending more on defence than many countries, as well their comical flops they can just write off such as Mangala which we dont have the luxuy of doing

Liverpool?

LMFAO

memed for the van dijk and alisson signings and we funded their rebuild anyway for 160 fkn milliion for coutinho

Alisson was actually a luxury signing, just because they had the money for it due to Coutinho. The one difference-maker for them was Van Dijk, and even then, they spent under 100m for him.

They actually sold players for more money than they bought because of idiot clubs like Barca going full rogue with their galactico-psycho model, where Coutinho and Dembele would supposedly be the new Iniesta and Neymar.

Look at Bayern's front 3, you didn't answer the question. Coman and Gnabry are a product of great scouting. Players they developed into superstars that other big clubs undervalued.

Lewa was a product of club stature. The way Mbappe would be for Madrid. Elite players they get once in 10-15 years for being a big club with a perceived high status. Something we could be if we weren't so damn chaotic and political.

 

[Windhook]

Our overspending as you will remember was caused by Neymar's 222m release clause. Clubs around the world at that time in 2017 knew we were filthy rich and sucked the transfer budget to its last drop.

If it wasn't for state owned clubs, which UEFA allowed based on greed, transfers over 100m would have never happened. And it really started with Abramovich buying Chelsea with the backing of Vladimir Putin. Then the Thai bought Man City and Qataris followed, rest is history.

 

[Messigician]

Alisson was actually a luxury signing, just because they had the money for it due to Coutinho. The one difference-maker for them was Van Dijk, and even then, they spent under 100m for him.

They actually sold players for more money than they bought because of idiot clubs like Barca going full rogue with their galactico-psycho model, where Coutinho and Dembele would supposedly be the new Iniesta and Neymar.

Socios and fans demanded superstar signings

we were never going to sit on the money from losing neymar it was a humiliation and a blow to the ego

not sure why ppl pump pedri into la masia, he is not he came from palmas and was signed by Planes.

 

[Messigician]

Our overspending as you would remember was caused by Neymar's 222m release clause. Clubs around the world at that time in 2017 knew we were filthy rich and sucked the transfer budget to its last drop.

If it wasn't for state owned clubs, which UEFA allowed based on greed, transfers over 100m would have never happened. And it really started with Abramovich buying Chelsea with the backing of Vladimir Putin. Then the Thai bought Man City and Qataris followed, rest is history.

I heavily agree with this. Neymar waiting until the last minute for the loyalty clause he wanted really hurt the club

 

[mc_lovin]

About Gavi and Fati in NT, I am not buying that story yet because Lucho is weird as fuck lately.
I am not sure is he a Catalan separatist or what happened with him, but it is obvious that he has some Catalan and anti-Madrid agenda.
He is calling every semi decent young Catalan footballer.
So, about Fati and Gavi, it is hard to tell whether they are called because they are THAT good or because Lucho went full retard in political terms.

If you watched the games you could actually answer that.

Anyway, what the fuck has optimism to do with it? One (and pretty much the only) aspect that's currently working for us is youth development. And we have the data/accomplishments to back it up (Golden Boy, call-ups...). So more realism than optimism I would say. But that alone will get us nowhere.

No one sane thinks a bunch of U19 players will dominate right now.

 

[Messigician]

If you watched the games you could actually answer that.

Anyway, what the fuck has optimism to do with it? One (and pretty much the only) aspect that's currently working for us is youth development. And we have the data/accomplishments to back it up (Golden Boy, call-ups...). So more realism than optimism I would say. But that alone will get us nowhere.

No one sane thinks a bunch of U19 players will dominate right now.

BBZ is casual football now. Please respect the veteran

 

[serghei]

The point is, if you look at clubs like Liverpool and Bayern, their team is based on skill, knowledge, and money as well of course. Never huge money alone without much else. That model would be best represented by PSG, and it's a failing one.

Mane, Salah, Firmino, Gnabry, Lewandowski, Coman. The top 6 players in these teams in their recent CL wins. Name me the 100m big signing in this list. You shouldn't even mention galactico players when a team having Origi and Shaqiri 4-0 you when you have Messsi, Suarez, Coutinho, worth around 3-400m at the time.

The Galactico model is dangerous for any club not having unlimited funds. Any fuck up of the magnitude of Coutinho and Dembele could potentially put the club in a bad spiral financial-wise. Which is happening to us and with COVID around will take years to turn around.

 

[Windhook]

I heavily agree with this. Neymar waiting until the last minute for the loyalty clause he wanted really hurt the club

We got Luis Suarez for 82m in 2014, which is the transfer value for top forwards to this day. Lucas Hernandez was bought for 80m, correct, but Bayern rarely splash the cash, probably on every couple of seasons, they always have surplus. It's a German trait to take care of finances, not like some Barca board member who charges the club for bottles of wine in a luxury restaurant. Idiot. Crook.

 

[Messigician]

The point is, if you look at clubs like Liverpool and Bayern, their team is based on skill, knowledge, and money as well of course. Never huge money alone without much else. That model would be best represented by PSG, and it's a failing one.

Well its unfair to say that

when we signed neymar and suarez for mega money we won it all

 

[Messigician]

We got Luis Suarez for 82m in 2014, which is the transfer value for top forwards to this day. Lucas Hernandez was bought for 80m, correct, but Bayern rarely splash the cash, probably on every couple of seasons, they always have surplus. It's a German trait to take care of finances, not like some Barca board member who charges the club for bottles of wine in a luxury restaurant. Idiot. Crook.

Well thats unfair as we dont have the luxury of signing pre contract agreements with players from Dortmund like Bayern do

 

[mc_lovin]

The point is, if you look at clubs like Liverpool and Bayern, their team is based on skill, knowledge, and money as well of course. Never huge money alone without much else. That model would be best represented by PSG, and it's a failing one.

Mane, Salah, Firmino, Gnabry, Lewandowski, Coman. The top 6 players in these teams in their recent CL wins. Name me the 100m big signing in this list. You shouldn't even mention galactico players when a team having Origi and Shaqiri 4-0 you when you have Messsi, Suarez, Coutinho, worth around 3-400m at the time.

Generally I agree, but I don't think Galactico transfers are fundamentally wrong when done right. With our three it was painfully obvious though.

I am still not sure what BBZ's point is. There are no users apart from Bobo, who I suspect is his schizophrenic alter ego, who want 100% La Masia. It's always a combination, and there's no doubt in my mind that we need to be a buying club to be successful - as we always were... even if it's just a bunch of 40ME transfers.

 

[Messigician]

this forum obsessed with alts lol

 

[serghei]

Well its unfair to say that

when we signed neymar and suarez for mega money we won it all

Yea, because we hit the nail in the head with these two. Can you guarantee that you hit the nail in the head again? And since then the price nearly doubled even from 80-100m. No way you sign a player like Suarez for 83m now. Fecking Grealish went for 100m.

It's almost like playing Russian roulette with the club's financial stability.