Not in the Champions League. Tuchel has 2 finals in 2 years,one won, Pep won the CL last time in 2011.
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Not in the Champions League. Tuchel has 2 finals in 2 years,one won, Pep won the CL last time in 2011.
JamDav1982
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Two CLs outweighs one and if basing it on recent finals Rodgers is better than Tuchel.
Roberto Di Mateo has better CL record than Tuchel. Should get him back.
It's clearly the footprint that Tuchel has made on this Chelsea squad. Di Matteo won the CL being very lucky and with a better team than this one anyway. And Rodgers failed miserably in the CL with Liverpool. Anyway, i am not saying Tuchel is better than Pep, but at this moment in time, Tuchel's football is better equipped to win you the Champions League. I don't care about League Cups or Fa's Cups, i am talking strictly about the CL.
JamDav1982
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Pep is better coach.
If you want to narrow it down to certain competitions Rodgers beating Tuchel is relevant and if want it to be about CL records Di Matteo is relevant.
Praising Tuchel and not understanding how much Werner gave them in his system. Priceless.
In a nutshell, just for you to understand, because you seem to not understand simple concepts very well: Timo Werner brings speed and workrate to that team, but he is a shit finisher and average technical wise. That doesn't make him a very good player, especially for a team that won the CL. You have to be blind to consider Werner a very good striker. But whatever works for you. You believe what you want, i believe this.
JamDav1982
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Aye Werner was huge part of CL winning team and set up while you try to mock folk for pointing out he has pace and movement was important.
Trying to back track now though so all good.
Yannik
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Pep is better at assembling squads and implementing a philosophy. But regarding actual coaching I don't think he beats Tuchel. Pep simply plays the same game, every game. He hardly reacts to opponents. When Peps teams get outmanouvred, you dont see him improvising some 4D solution on the spot. I don't agree with the "stubborn Pep" narrative, but there's a reason why some call him that.. His strengths lie in building strong teams that win despite being predictable. This works in leagues, but not so much in knockout formats. And without trying to take the credit from him: He always hired for clubs that gave him enough space and funds to assemble such a team. I couldn't see Pep at a club that is playing against the odds.
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JamDav1982
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'Pep plays same game every game'
He is being scolded for changing Citys tactics in final and not for first time so that doesnt apply.
Pep has changed his approach multiple times at every club he has been at.
Lets see Tuchel and Pep next season. I will go for City being better side and 'better coached'.
Tuchel was struggling against teams they are expected to beat. He will need to address that in summer. Similar to not so great record domestically for PSG.
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serghei
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Pep is the best manager no doubt, but he has his flaws. As do others. Tuchel needs to prove himself in the Premier League as well. It's probably the hardest competition to win atm.
Nobody is perfect. And neither team is impressive in terms of players as to be a cut above others. This opens up the playing field a lot, especially in a competition like CL where the margin is the smallest.
Nobody is perfect. And neither team is impressive in terms of players as to be a cut above others. This opens up the playing field a lot, especially in a competition like CL where the margin is the smallest.
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Yannik
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He is being scolded for not starting Fabinho, that's all.. Aside from that City still played to normal expectation. His approach at Barca, Bayern or City has not changed drastically, he only accustomed some elements of his philosophy to fit the strengths of his key players more. Pep sets teams up to win basically 9/10 games on average. In league formats this is ideal, since it means 27 out of 30 points. Knockout stages however mean the tenth loss can be your elimination. And this is where Pep is frequently outcoached by people who studied his system and its flaws. And when Pep realizes that the opponent holds firm, he does very little variation and instead just hopes he will win regardless.
Pep is the better manager statistically and if you aim to win just as many games as possible, which is all league football is about. But if you need someone to win a that one particular duel vs another great opponent, then there's better managers than Pep out there.
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Nazario1985
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by that concept Griezmann is a god ...
Nazario1985
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Pep is a better manager but as a tactician he shit his pants each time his team is not completely dominating the other side in very important matchs.
Nazario1985
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So to summit up, Werner is Cardio man V2 ergo a legend !
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