Mavericky Puig

[BBZ8800]

Managers who lacks vision chooses what seems the easy routes.

It works both ways.

Either a manager doesn't have a vision.
Or a manager actually figured out that a player is meh.

3 years ago people on this forum whined after every match how a stupid Valverde doesn't have vision and is ruining careers of our gems Dembele, Malcom, Semedo, Alena and Arthur for not playing them.

Fast forward a few years, was EV a blind guy without a vision or fans too often see magic where is none of it?

I seriously don't get this topic.

I'll be extremely surprised if Puig will ever turn into a starter and infuental midfielder in teams like Getafe.

He is several levels below Denis, who was nowhere near good enough for us.

The only reason why people like Puig is HOPE.
A human need.

Riki is not a good player.
Your brains who are looking for hope and a brighter future and that need is tricking you into overrating youth players and preventing you from seeing his objective skills.

I thought that people would learn after goung through a similar process 20 times over years with other young players.

Let me guess: this one is different and better than the others who have failed?
People thought the same in every single out of 20 previous cases.

 

[vegitot]

It works both ways.

Either a manager doesn't have a vision.
Or a manager actually figured out that a player is meh.

3 years ago people on this forum whined after every match how a stupid Valverde doesn't have vision and is ruining careers of our gems Dembele, Malcom, Semedo, Alena and Arthur for not playing them.

Fast forward a few years, was EV a blind guy without a vision or fans too often see magic where is none of it?

I seriously don't get this topic.

I'll be extremely surprised if Puig will ever turn into a starter and infuental midfielder in teams like Getafe.

He is several levels below Denis, who was nowhere near good enough for us.

The only reason why people like Puig is HOPE.
A human need.

Riki is not a good player.
Your brains who are looking for hope and a brighter future and that need is tricking you into overrating youth players and preventing you from seeing his objective skills.

I thought that people would learn after goung through a similar process 20 times over years with other young players.

Let me guess: this one is different and better than the others who have failed?
People thought the same in every single out of 20 previous cases.

This point is brought up so often.

If there is only Koeman who fails to see Puig's talent or doesn't like him, it is easy to understand because it happens for many. But several coaches do the same. Outside of Barca, Spain team also doesn't rate him. This including youth level which is for developing player.

 

[vegitot]

Yes, so smart, because only Messi level talents should get more than 5 mins every 3 games . It makes so much sense to play dudes like Umtiti, play Pedri until his legs fall off or he faints on the field, and force out raw as hell Moriba, who in the last 2-3 games has lost the ball in more than half the actions he was involved in.

He should go on loan, but only because this manager has a grudge against him and denies him the chances he's earned on the field.

Tell it to Spain youth. They called him up then played him 5 minutes in 3 matches.

Koeman maybe too stubborn but he already made it very clear from beginning: if Puig stays, his time will be very limited.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

It is always new signings who are trolling on here

At this stage anyone defending puig comes across as a troll. Fan girls who think they know more than Current and past Barca managers and the Spain manager.

I wanted Puig to get more chances too. At the start. I remember the few starts he had. Stunk it up. Performance straight out of the gutter, first to be subbed. Then we managed to win.

 

[Messi983]

It is always new signings who are trolling on here

Says the biggest troll here.

 

[Messi983]

Who ordered popcorn?

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I don't rate his footballing abilities but can't hate this guy.

 

[Messigician]

I don't rate his footballing abilities but can't hate this guy.

Is he wearing makeup?

 

[Bobo32]

3 years ago people on this forum whined after every match how a stupid Valverde doesn't have vision and is ruining careers of our gems Dembele, Malcom, Semedo, Alena and Arthur for not playing them.

I wish I could say I was surprised!

You said in another post that Arthur had 20 world class games for Barcelona. I don't know about that, but think he was a very good player, must've had problems outside the pitch...
Outside of him, obviously none of these players were gems. Semedo had the class of a decent backup-option, Malcom was a pretty fast and pretty decent winger, Dembele a shit but very fast winger, Alena a decent Barcelona midfielder, surely good enough to play a backup role.

The mechanism you talk about in the rest of your post may be correct in a lot of people, but not for what I see in this player.

 

[serghei]

It works both ways.

Either a manager doesn't have a vision.
Or a manager actually figured out that a player is meh.

3 years ago people on this forum whined after every match how a stupid Valverde doesn't have vision and is ruining careers of our gems Dembele, Malcom, Semedo, Alena and Arthur for not playing them.

Fast forward a few years, was EV a blind guy without a vision or fans too often see magic where is none of it?

I seriously don't get this topic.

I'll be extremely surprised if Puig will ever turn into a starter and infuental midfielder in teams like Getafe.

He is several levels below Denis, who was nowhere near good enough for us.

The only reason why people like Puig is HOPE.
A human need.

Riki is not a good player.
Your brains who are looking for hope and a brighter future and that need is tricking you into overrating youth players and preventing you from seeing his objective skills.

I thought that people would learn after goung through a similar process 20 times over years with other young players.

Let me guess: this one is different and better than the others who have failed?
People thought the same in every single out of 20 previous cases.

How about when Barcaforum said don't play Rakitic vs Liverpool away because he panics and malfunctions under pressure? And EV played Rakitic who was the flop of the match after he panicked and malfunctioned whenever he was pressed?

Sometimes the manager is right. Other times, the ones that criticize him are right. In the case of great managers, they are right very very often, and wrong very rarely, especially when compared with fans. The more average the manager, the least amount of faith fans have in that manager.

Also, developing players is probably the hardest thing in football. It's no surprise very few make it. Maybe if you could show us the players Valverde promoted and he was right about. Yea, right, man played Busquets, Rakitic, Vidal in midfield in CL, with a combined age of 100 years old.

It's a lot easier to do nothing and then say... look this guy didn't make it, this guy didn't, this guy didn't. Who did under him? Nobody. He left the team a lot worse than he took it. Older, slower, to the point that a massive clean-up was needed, that will take us years.

 

[BBZ8800]

Serghei, maybe there was nothing to work with.

Denis, Andre Gomes, Deulo, Alena, Semedo, Arthur, Dembele, Malcom, Paco.
They were all given chances but they were mostly very bad, except Paco, Arthur and Semedo who were somewhat useful but nothing special.

Isn't that the worst crop of young players since... I don't know? Since 80s probably.

Gaspart's era at least had Xavi, Puyol, Valdes, Motta.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

I don't rate his footballing abilities but can't hate this guy.

perfect skin

 

[serghei]

Serghei, maybe there was nothing to work with.

Denis, Andre Gomes, Deulo, Alena, Semedo, Arthur, Dembele, Malcom, Paco.
They were all given chances but they were mostly very bad, except Paco, Arthur and Semedo who were somewhat useful but nothing special.

Isn't that the worst crop of young players since... I don't know? Since 80s probably.

Gaspart's era at least had Xavi, Puyol, Valdes, Motta.

Nothing to work with... come on man... it's Barca. You always have something to work with. The man wasn't focused on creating anything long-term. He was extremely smart in a way, he chose the path of least resistance.

It's as if you buy a used car, and you plan to use it for 2-3 years, then pass it along to some unlucky chap before it starts to eat your money in repairs and such.

EV was great at that. Got himself a decent car, used it for a couple of years, then by the time it started to go really bad, he took off and let others do the repairs.

 

[Bobo32]

Serghei, maybe there was nothing to work with.

Denis, Andre Gomes, Deulo, Alena, Semedo, Arthur, Dembele, Malcom, Paco.
They were all given chances but they were mostly very bad, except Paco, Arthur and Semedo who were somewhat useful but nothing special.

Isn't that the worst crop of young players since... I don't know? Since 80s probably.

Gaspart's era at least had Xavi, Puyol, Valdes, Motta.

Half of these players were bought by Rosell/Bartomeu.

You seem pretty confused tbh. Or I am confused on what your line of argument is. Did someone put a lot of hope on Paco Alcacer? Since Dembele, Malcom, Turan, Semedo, Gomes, Rakitic, Vidal, Paulinho, Paco and so on was bought, there wasn't much space for youths to get playing time.

You know that players like Angelino, Garcia, Morey, Rafinha, Olmo and more are playing CL knockout stage football for other clubs?

 

[Gnidrologist]

Tbh his social media posing and posh supermodel behavior sows doubts in me.

 

[JamDav1982]

Poser.

Always first to grin and face the cameras and seems more interested in that than taking the decision to go prove himself away from club.