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Lliga | Round 26: Real Madrid - FC Barcelona 2-0
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LABarcaFan
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They were lucky that we didn't get at least one point. Real is not that much better than us. It's just we didn't use our chances.
We might get Atalanta in the next round, though
Or Leipzig/Spurs. With a bit of luck we get either Atalanta or Leipzig/Spurs and reach the semi final. There it all depends if we're going to finish our chances.
bismp
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Even if we reach the semifinals,will it change anything?
We'll either get easily beaten(eg like against Juventus in 2017) or humiliated(eg Rome,Liverpool) against the first good team we face.
The exact same thing happened last year,when we managed to reach the semis after a couple of easy draws and everyone falsely got the impression we were real contenders.The thing is though that last year we were decent up until the Liverpool fiasco(for example Messi had one of his best seasons ever),while we are completely shit this season.
I honestly doubt we'll manage to beat Napoli at the Camp Nou. We might even manage to break our impressive unbeaten record.
JackaL
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Contrary to what people post here, I didn't think the game was that bad. It was high intensity, almost as every clasico and we played at Bernabeu. Given our squads average age, stamina, the inconsistent performances we show, I was not expecting to win there. It was, however, unfortunate, that RM gave us almost no chances in the 2nd half, especially after not scoring those clear chances in the first. Both in the 1st and 2nd half, I thought RM was more structured. They had Messi under control and the rest of our squad did not know what to do to free Messi or take responsibility to create chances.
This opinion piece brings it very nicely to the point:
https://www.espn.com/soccer/barcelo...-cruyffian-ideals-are-no-guarantee-of-success
I have yet to see a board to be reelected with such an awful track record and literally almost 0 management skills.
Valverde was never the issue, usually in football the coach never is (numerous research papers on this), it's the quality of the squad. Squad management is never an easy task, especially with superstars that have won literally everything and the best player in history. Both management and coaches need to be super strong so as not to allow the stars to be too strong. In a sense, management needs to save the stars from themselves and their hubris for the better of the club and the players. Not an easy task, but our board completely fucked it up as can be seen by the numerous scandals and mini-scandals.
Having said that, I don't think th league is over yet, but we'll struggle big time, even if we win the league.
This opinion piece brings it very nicely to the point:
https://www.espn.com/soccer/barcelo...-cruyffian-ideals-are-no-guarantee-of-success
I have yet to see a board to be reelected with such an awful track record and literally almost 0 management skills.
Valverde was never the issue, usually in football the coach never is (numerous research papers on this), it's the quality of the squad. Squad management is never an easy task, especially with superstars that have won literally everything and the best player in history. Both management and coaches need to be super strong so as not to allow the stars to be too strong. In a sense, management needs to save the stars from themselves and their hubris for the better of the club and the players. Not an easy task, but our board completely fucked it up as can be seen by the numerous scandals and mini-scandals.
Having said that, I don't think th league is over yet, but we'll struggle big time, even if we win the league.
El Gato
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JackaL
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This is a more recent paper:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ecin.12280
The authors also summarize lots of previous papers, check them out on Google Scholar:
No Effects:
Poulsen, R. “Should He Stay or Should He Go? Estimating the Effect of Firing the Manager in Soccer.” Chance, 13, 2000, 29–32.
Koning, R. “An Econometric Evaluation of the Effect of Firing a Coach on Team Performance.” Applied Economics, 35, 2003, 555–64.
Bruinshoofd, A., and B. Ter Weel. “Manager to Go? Performance Dips Reconsidered with Evidence from Dutch Football.” European Journal of Operational Research, 148, 2003, 233–46.
Balduck, A., M. Buelens, and R. Philippaerts. “Short-term Effects of Midseason Coach Turnover on Team Performance in Soccer.” Research Quarterly for Exercise and Sport, 81, 2010a, 379–83.
Balduck, A., A. Prinzie, and M. Buelens. “The Effectiveness of Coach Turnover and the Effect on Home Team Advantage, Team Quality and Team Ranking.” Journal of Applied Statistics, 37, 2010b, 679–89.
Ter Weel, B. “Does Manager Turnover Improve Firm Performance? Evidence from Dutch Soccer.” De Economist, 159, 2011, 279–303.
Negative Effects
Salomo, S., and K. Teichmann. “The Relationship of Performance and Managerial Succession in the German Premier Football League.” European Journal of Sport Management, 7, 2000, 99–119. Stadtmann, G. “Frequent News and Pure Signals: The Case
of a Publicly Traded Football Club.” Scottish Journal of Political Economy, 53, 2006, 485–504.
Dobson, S., and J. Goddard. The Economics of Football. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2001.
Mixed
Improvement in home games => Tena, J. D., and D. Forrest. “Within-season Dismissal of Football Coaches: Statistical Analysis of Causes and Consequences.” European Journal of Operational Research, 181, 2007, 362–73.
"depends on team homogeneity" => Hentschel, S., G. Muehlheusser, and D. Sliwka. “The Impact of Managerial Change on Performance. The Role of Team Heterogeneity.” Working Paper 3950, Munich: CESifo, 2012.
El Gato
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Some serious literature for Forum de Amigos right here.
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DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
Interesting, but if that's the case why are Liverpool and Man City paying Klopp and Pep so much money when they can hire Unai Emery and Ernesto Valverde to do the job instead?
Would any manager inspire their players to work harder, develop their skillset to play better and be demanding and visionary enough to bring in the right players?
Valverde might not have been the issue, but he definitely was an issue.
Why did Zidane succeed with more or less the same squad Rafa Benitez failed with?
Would any manager inspire their players to work harder, develop their skillset to play better and be demanding and visionary enough to bring in the right players?
Valverde might not have been the issue, but he definitely was an issue.
Why did Zidane succeed with more or less the same squad Rafa Benitez failed with?
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DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
Some players prefer to join certain teams because of their manager too.
KingLeo10
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I'm sorry but I'm very skeptical of the merits of these publications.
Chance has an impact factor of 0.09.
Applied Economics has an impact factor of 0.50.
European Journal of Operational Research doesn't even appear to have an impact factor, lol.
Not all published literature (even supposedly peer reviewed) is of robust quality. There's a difference between publishing in PLoS one and NEJM/JAMA/Nature/Science/Cell in the biomedical sciences, for example. To put it into a quantitative comparison, NEJM impact factor is 75 and the others I referenced range from 30-50, lol.
I looked at the Bruinshoofd et al. paper and it's rife with confounding issues.
EDIT: I'll do a detailed breakdown later of some of the issues with one of these, as example.
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El Gato
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Sure, except impact factor doesn't define automatically define good science, but it sure does help. A lot of times good research is published in low impact factor journals (particularly in the natural sciences) because it's impossible to pass through the funnel of editorial boards of the major journals.
I'd be keen to see anything on the topic from a more reputable journal for comparison.
Besides I only advised you take a look and see for yourself. I'm not claiming this is fact. In my field and department we always sarcastically joke along with lecturers "it was published in Nature therefore it must be true"
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