Premier League 23/24

[El Gato]

You are not even updated, and you draw conclusions out of your arse
Go read official statement and all journos, it was a mutual decision in their meeting today, not a sacking.
And the sticking point was what I described above

Missed the point
Was in all likelihood told to walk if doesnt like the SD direction, which is effectively them getting rid of him, not him leaving as if wanted to
Taking a club statement as basis. Good one. It's a sack in all but official name
Those two SDs Eghbali brought in really are a dumpsterfire. 'Data driven approach' lol
Almost feel sorry for Boehly for being the face of it all and taking the brunt, really doesnt help them with such blame shifting

 

[El Gato]

"It also shines a light on divisions within the ownership; Todd Boehly has been publicly supportive of Pochettino but it is Clearlake Capital co-founders Behdad Eghbali and Jose Feliciano who wield the real power at Chelsea."

“Chelsea’s owners and sporting directors [...] have made it abundantly clear they believe football belongs to the players and the specialists.”

"Vincent Kompany has been described as a dark horse despite Burnley’s relegation from the Premier League. "

"That Pochettino, who was popular with the players, made it work by making sense of an immature squad has not really registered. It is instructive that the team’s late surge to sixth place was merely seen as evidence that criticism of Stewart and Winstanley was misguided."

Rationale for sacking Tuchel: "The manager won't get involved in transfer discussions, we want someone to have a collaborative input into singings and engage with the hierarchy on squad building."

Lmfao
L'Opta xG lords in charge

 

[Birdy]

Missed the point
Was in all likelihood told to walk if doesnt like the SD direction, which is effectively them getting rid of him, not him leaving as if wanted to
Taking a club statement as basis. Good one. It's a sack in all but official name
Those two SDs Eghbali brought in really are a dumpsterfire. 'Data driven approach' lol
Almost feel sorry for Boehly for being the face of it all and taking the brunt, really doesnt help them with such blame shifting

They offered him the chance to stay if he agreed to their model of transfer business
Poch rejected that.
It's not that they were determined to sack him no matter what

"It also shines a light on divisions within the ownership; Todd Boehly has been publicly supportive of Pochettino but it is Clearlake Capital co-founders Behdad Eghbali and Jose Feliciano who wield the real power at Chelsea."

“Chelsea’s owners and sporting directors [...] have made it abundantly clear they believe football belongs to the players and the specialists.”

"Vincent Kompany has been described as a dark horse despite Burnley’s relegation from the Premier League. "

"That Pochettino, who was popular with the players, made it work by making sense of an immature squad has not really registered. It is instructive that the team’s late surge to sixth place was merely seen as evidence that criticism of Stewart and Winstanley was misguided."

Rationale for sacking Tuchel: "The manager won't get involved in transfer discussions, we want someone to have a collaborative input into singings and engage with the hierarchy on squad building."

Lmfao
L'Opta xG lords in charge

Yes, that's where they are right
That's already how Liverpool operated under Edwards that brought them Salah Mane Firmino VVD and Allison.

Poch is old-fashioned there, as Tuchel is to a certain extent. It's the old autocratic model of the coach-manager-decision maker on everything a la SAF or Wenger.
The one idiots at Barca gave to an apprentice Xavi

Outdated, ineffective

 

[El Gato]

No it isn't anything to do with Liverpool who still maintain manager autonomy

It's a model of ChatGPT lords who think they can manage a football team as shown by what these two precious crumpets as SDs have achieved to date bringing in Potter and licking their wounds for months before binning him off when got it wrong

Now likely it will be Potter 2.0 territory likely with likes of De Zerbi, McKenna, the Girona coach or yet another punt in analogous direction with a coach who will be more willing to roll over for a time

Will be points away from relegation if go in that direction.
Binned Poch off moment he asked for flexibility from their daft model based on mortgaging selves players that look good on paper and statsheet while making team play well with those who they want to sell
Will bin every other serious coach same way

 

[mc_lovin]

The sample size is so freaking small for guys like Edwards that it's quite frankly insane to talk them up. It's a lot funnier with these hipster coaches like De Zerbi, Ange, Ten Hag, (...) though where the implosion is coming rather fast usually (opposed to something less tangible like directors...).

That being said, maybe he's a brilliant innovator. But clubs copy successful approaches fast.

 

[Birdy]

No it isn't anything to do with Liverpool who still maintain manager autonomy

It's a model of ChatGPT lords who think they can manage a football team as shown by what these two precious crumpets as SDs have achieved to date bringing in Potter and licking their wounds for months before binning him off when got it wrong

Now likely it will be Potter 2.0 territory likely with likes of De Zerbi, McKenna, the Girona coach or yet another punt in analogous direction with a coach who will be more willing to roll over for a time

Will be points away from relegation if go in that direction.
Binned Poch off moment he asked for flexibility from their daft model based on mortgaging selves players that look good on paper and statsheet while making team play well with those who they want to sell
Will bin every other serious coach same way

No, Liverpool operate in the exact same manner. I have followed closely Edward's model at Liverpool.
Klopp feed them with tactical profiles he needs, they came up with the names. He discovered that very early when wanted Brandt, and he accepted that their model is superior.

It is precisely this one described here as the sticking point between the parties:
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@CFCPys
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May 21
Chelsea want a head coach who will feed into the conversation around potential signings and sales without seeking to dictate strategy or make demands, and commit to working with the talent assembled by the recruitment team. (@SJohnsonSport) #CFC

I was in favor of Poch, but you are lumping different stuff together.
Potter was Bohley's personal choice, before SDs came. McKenna Maresca and De Zerbi have all shown excellent signs in their teams, and their desired model could work well with them
Question is their impatience: they want to start winning much sooner than they realistically can

 

[El Gato]

Don't operate same at all.
They stick selves into 8 year deals to get around regulations while not researching anywhere near well enough and for players that prove to be big money flops, as manager wasnt involved in the signing. And then want to shift just about everyone who wasn't part of their assessment even though prove more useful. These people would sell TAA if came through the door and buy someone like Kurzawa for 80M instead of Robertson if were at Liverpool

All they want is to have someone to knock about that will stay in their lane and relegate the role to a disposable entity when not making their signing work in a model.
They would reject Pep for the position even if he had an aneurysm tomorrow and decided to apply for the job but demanded same conditions as every self respecting coach would

They basically fancy selves AI transfer gurus without a slightest hint of competence around the day to day team operation even though trying to exercise control over on-pitch elements of the club

 

[Birdy]

Don't operate same at all.
They stick selves into 8 year deals to get around regulations while not researching anywhere near well enough and for players that prove to be big money flops, as manager wasnt involved in the signing. And then want to shift just about everyone who wasn't part of their assessment even though prove more useful. These people would sell TAA if came through the door and buy someone like Kurzawa for 80M instead of Robertson if were at Liverpool

All they want is to have someone to knock about that will stay in their lane and relegate the role to a disposable entity when not making their signing work in a model.
They would reject Pep for the position even if he had an aneurysm tomorrow and decided to apply for the job but demanded same conditions as every self respecting coach would

They basically fancy selves AI transfer gurus without a slightest hint of competence around the day to day team operation even though trying to exercise control over on-pitch elements of the club

You bring up different issues not related to what I pointed out like:
1) Yes, the 8yr deal is a questionable strategy, and jury is still out

Then:
2) all deals before last summer, including Enzo Mudryk Cucurella Badiashile etc, were made under 'temporary SD' Todd Bohley and reflect his lack of knowledge of the industry
If you look the summer targets they brought in under the new SDs, Paul Winstanley and Laurence Stewart, serious professionals, you find people like Cole Palmer and Nico Jackson, their best players this season

Your last paragraph is also wrong on the same respect. The ones using 'AI' , or better trusting data to make decisions, are Winstanley and Stewart

3) They don't want a yes man, they want someone accepting this approach, the one I described above
Pep himself accepts it, Txiki finds Doku and Gvardiol according to the tactical profiles Pep asks. It's not Pep himself who says I want THIS player, invalidating the role of the SD there

 

[El Gato]

Nah don't function anywhere near as collaboratively as claim to as demonstrated by them consistently trying to bin off players they didn't bring in without consulting manager, be it before SD changes or after. Tell Klopp or Pep you want to sell teams best performers in defense and midfield and see where that gets you.
These people have no idea how to adjust and can't get out of minor league syndrome where they'd recruit a player only to try and make a buck on them in transfer market down the line. Way in over their heads and will be in the drop zone if mishire the replacement

 

[Iniesta Ultra]

 

[Iniesta Ultra]

 

[soul24rage]

@Horatio Garnacho and Lisandro starting

 

[mc_lovin]

Casemiro benched

Hate to say it, but it's an all-timer deal from Perez.

 

[Horatio]

@Horatio Garnacho and Lisandro starting

Tuning in live from Caracas

 

[Horatio]

Made the mistake of tuning in too early and having witnessed the pre-match show.