Nelson Semedo

[FinBarcelonafan]

[MENTION=21136]Potroh[/MENTION] is right. For some reason, people thought Roberto can be "developed" more defensively and somehow transform into one of the best RB of the world is ridiculous. He never has that height or defensive presence, even against Real Madrid, he was poor defensively. And he isnt fast or explosive enough like Alves.

All he is good at is dribbling and passing, but in terms of being a natural RB, he's far from it. Whats worse is that Alba is a full time attacker now without Neymar, trusting Roberto and Pique to defend is not the smartest thing to do. Rakitic is very slow as well. I wouldn't feel safe with them against a quick counter attack.

Some big team with a good left winger will come along and tear these three apart.

I couldn't agree more. I think Barca will sign another right back next off-season to be Semedos backup. Roberto should be starting midfielder(next season) instead of Rakitic let's say.

 

[JamDav1982]

Roberto will be the right back for a while yet unless Semedo gets better going forward.

Semedo has not even been all that better than him defensively either if at all.

Roberto has been great at RB this season and at a team like Barca they have to be good going forward even more so than defenders.

 

[henias]

Roberto will be the right back for a while yet unless Semedo gets better going forward.

Semedo has not even been all that better than him defensively either if at all.

Roberto has been great at RB this season and at a team like Barca they have to be good going forward even more so than defenders.

Valverde's Barca has been more defensive than attacking and depended more on counter attacks lately. I agree about defenders being good offensively, but Roberto has zero aerial threat which some big teams can exploit. You cant deny that Semedo still has a better physical presence and aerial ability, and he just needs be taught better positioning. Against big teams Semedo can win the ball and feed it to Roberto or he could come on at halftime while the team is tired to cover Roberto and make some forward runs to open up space.

Semedo still has the better defensive record in UCL than Roberto while Roberto is better in La Liga than him. You cant say that he is overall worse than him. Semedo has also played more against La Liga top teams with the exception of Real Madrid.

 

[JamDav1982]

Valverde's Barca has been more defensive than attacking and depended more on counter attacks lately. I agree about defenders being good offensively, but Roberto has zero aerial threat which some big teams can exploit. You cant deny that Semedo still has a better physical presence and aerial ability, and he just needs be taught better positioning. Against big teams Semedo can win the ball and feed it to Roberto or he could come on at halftime while the team is tired to cover Roberto and make some forward runs to open up space.

Semedo still has the better defensive record in UCL than Roberto while Roberto is better in La Liga than him. You cant say that he is overall worse than him. Semedo has also played more against La Liga top teams with the exception of Real Madrid.

Valverdes Barca is not more defensive than attacking at all. No idea how can claim that.

The full backs in the final third as a pair as important to attacking part of Barcelonas approach than have been in years.

Semedo doesnt have any defensive record in CL it doesnt work like that and he played against more top CL teams until he lost his place and Roberto was injured.

 

[henias]

Valverdes Barca is not more defensive than attacking at all. No idea how can claim that.

The full backs in the final third as a pair as important to attacking part of Barcelonas approach than have been in years.

Semedo doesnt have any defensive record in CL it doesnt work like that and he played against more top CL teams until he lost his place and Roberto was injured.

Im saying Valverde has placed more importance on defence than other Barcelona. Of course, attacking is still their main style but most of their goals have came frm counter attacks, especially when they play a 442.

What do u mean he doesnt have any defensive record? Roberto still didnt have the better record in UCL for the minutes he played. He hasnt made a single aerial duel as well.

 

[JamDav1982]

Im saying Valverde has placed more importance on defence than other Barcelona. Of course, attacking is still their main style but most of their goals have came frm counter attacks, especially when they play a 442.

What do u mean he doesnt have any defensive record? Roberto still didnt have the better record in UCL for the minutes he played. He hasnt made a single aerial duel as well.

Barcelona is more balanced mainly the midfield but a huge part of the full backs role is going forward and on the ball. More so than most players in the team.

You cant claim a players defensive record in comparison to anothers going by goals conceded thats not how it works at all.

Roberto has not been poorer than Semedo defensively at all. Semedo has been suspect defensively inn quite a few of his games and Roberto is far far better going forward so far.

 

[henias]

Barcelona is more balanced mainly the midfield but a huge part of the full backs role is going forward and on the ball. More so than most players in the team.

You cant claim a players defensive record in comparison to anothers going by goals conceded thats not how it works at all.

Roberto has not been poorer than Semedo defensively at all. Semedo has been suspect defensively inn quite a few of his games and Roberto is far far better going forward so far.

What? Goals conceded? Thats not what I meant. Roberto has made alot less tackles PER GAME than Semedo in the UCL and hasnt made a single aerial duel at all. I already agreed about the offensive part. Not to mention Semedo has played against more La Liga top teams and Roberto has played more against the lower tier teams.

Roberto is better offensively, i never denied that.

What Im worried is against bigger teams, Roberto might just lose out a physical duel and it just take that one mistake and we might be in big trouble. So it's better to teach Semedo more on his defensive poitioning right now so he will come in as a better defensive option when we need him in big hames. Roberto will never grow a few CM taller or be a bigger physically, and while he might be the most useful right now, putting him in a vulnerable defensive situations might make us trip on our own foot instead.

 

[JamDav1982]

What? Goals conceded? Thats not what I meant. Roberto has made alot less tackles PER GAME than Semedo in the UCL and hasnt made a single aerial duel at all. I already agreed about the offensive part. Not to mention Semedo has played against more La Liga top teams and Roberto has played more against the lower tier teams.

Roberto is better offensively, i never denied that.

What Im worried is against bigger teams, Roberto might just lose out a physical duel and it just take that one mistake and we might be in big trouble. So it's better to teach Semedo more on his defensive poitioning right now so he will come in as a better defensive option when we need him in big hames. Roberto will never grow a few CM taller or be a bigger physically, and while he might be the most useful right now, putting him in a vulnerable defensive situations might make us trip on our own foot instead.

Roberto has played one game at RB in the CL and against Olympiakos who Barca dominated. Of course he has made less tackles.

Where both have played RB regularly in the league Roberto is far ahead on tackles and one of best in team, also makes more interceptions, gets dribbled less and has won more headers.

Roberto has been better defensively and focusing on one game in one competition is pointless.

What do you mean by played more top teams? Was clear as the day the difference of Semedo compared to Roberto as soon as they were subbed v Atletico for example.

 

[henias]

Roberto has played one game at RB in the CL and against Olympiakos who Barca dominated. Of course he has made less tackles.

Where both have played RB regularly in the league Roberto is far ahead on tackles and one of best in team, also makes more interceptions, gets dribbled less and has won more headers.

Roberto has been better defensively and focusing on one game in one competition is pointless.

What do you mean by played more top teams? Was clear as the day the difference of Semedo compared to Roberto as soon as they were subbed v Atletico for example.

Its tackles per game. Not more or less tackles. Theres a difference. Same can be said for Semedo since he played less in La Liga than Roberto but tats not how it works. Roberto has played 200+ minutes in the CL.

 

[JamDav1982]

Its tackles per game. Not more or less tackles. Theres a difference. Same can be said for Semedo since he played less in La Liga than Roberto but tats not how it works. Roberto has played 200+ minutes in the CL.

Tackles per game where Roberto played once as a RB against the poorest team at home Barca dominated.

In league where can compare them both as RB far more effectively Robertos stats are far better.

Can compare La Liga much easier.

 

[JamDav1982]

Its tackles per game. Not more or less tackles. Theres a difference. Same can be said for Semedo since he played less in La Liga than Roberto but tats not how it works. Roberto has played 200+ minutes in the CL.

Roberto has played one game at RB in CL.

Of course would expect his stats to be different.

In league where both have played a lot of minutes in same position. Compare them there and Roberto stats are far better.

 

[henias]

Tackles per game where Roberto played once as a RB against the poorest team at home Barca dominated.

In league where can compare them both as RB far more effectively Robertos stats are far better.

Can compare La Liga much easier.

Well, Barcelona made only 11 tackles against Madrid, who is supposedly the strongest attacking team in La Liga.

 

[JamDav1982]

Well, Barcelona made only 11 tackles against Madrid, who is supposedly the strongest attacking team in La Liga.

In La Liga where both have played multiple games in same position Roberto stats are far better.

But you can try and or some reason focus on a tournament that one of them played only one game at RB and there are far less games to compare across.

 

[Potroh]

In La Liga where both have played multiple games in same position Roberto stats are far better.

It simply doesn't matter who's stats are better.
What matters is:
- Roberto is NOT a defender and will never be
- Roberto himself is happy to play but much happier to play as midfielder
- Vidal has proven not to be the solution
- Semedo hasn't yet proven to be as good as he needs to be, or close to Alves, but he HAS the needed contributing factors, whereas Roberto does not
- So Semedo needs the possible higher attention, because he CAN be the solution in the long run

 

[JamDav1982]

It simply doesn't matter who's stats are better.
What matters is:
- Roberto is NOT a defender and will never be
- Roberto himself is happy to play but much happier to play as midfielder
- Vidal has proven not to be the solution
- Semedo hasn't yet proven to be as good as he needs to be, or close to Alves, but he HAS the needed contributing factors, whereas Roberto does not
- So Semedo needs the possible higher attention, because he CAN be the solution in the long run

Roberto has done ok defensively and been far better going forward which is why he is being chosen as RB more often.

That is what matters.

If Semedo is better in long run he can continue to build on opportunities given and prove it.