Ernesto Valverde

serghei

Senior Member
The bullshit you guys say about Valverde being let down by the players is actually what has applied to Guardiola in the Champions League in 2 of the 4 years we had him as a manager. The mentality of the team hasn't been the best in CL away for a long time, I agree with that, but the quality of the football displayed under Guardiola, vs under Valverde is on a different planet.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
You said we have always badly away in CL for a long time, with very few exception and implied that what is happening now under Valverde is not much different than what happened even with Pep. That was your angle.

Which is obviously false. With Pep we failed to get good results in away games where we played rather well. Which was obviously a negative too, but in a completely different way than the Valverde shitshow. And gave you clear examples that most of those bad results away under Guardiola are in games we actually played nice in and dominated while creating loads of chance and having absurdly high possession percentages.

How can you compare that with the complete humiliations that the team suffered vs Roma and Liverpool, where the team was dominated, and outplayed in the process. You completely disregard what happened in those games, and only look at stats.

Let's take a step back here
This is what I said

We have been awful in away games for over a decade. May be with the exception of 2006 & 2015 we had one of the worst away game downfall for any elite team.
This is something that goes beyond the current coach.

It was a respond to this

We've consistently been awful away in the CL under Valverde. At best we have draws or 1-0 wins, at worst we get obliterated.

How many times we got more than 1-0 wins against an 11 man team in a knock out? How many times we didn't play our game in away games?
That goes up to Chelsea game in 2005, Old Trafford game in 2008, Pep against Chelsea & Inter while failing to win an away knockout game at home. Tito getting humiliated against Milan & Bayern (though he got us humiliated again at home against Bayern) and LE getting beaten up by AM away, having exactly same results EV had with 0-3 & 0-4 defeats.
Even if it is just "missing chances" those are chances we score at home.
Those chances you use as excuse, are the part of the problem, why is the fuck this team isn't half clinical at home as it is away? Why we are inept and slower in away game? for so long.
Those chances missed are huge part of discussion. It isn't "players failing coach" it is a team continuous problem.
As bad as we were against Liverpool, we could have put the game to end in 1st half, we were actually the better team and created many chances and we wasted them. And I would never use those as excuse for the coach btw. But It is the club to find what is happening to our players away from home. Hire a psychologist or something.

And again, that isn't a comparison to the team that was with Pep, or the team that was with EV, nor with the coaches. It is the consistent problem of failing to play our game (including finishing) away from home.
If it hasn't changed during the era of last 5 coaches (3 if you exclude you beloved Pep) then something deeper need to be fixed in the team. That doesn't take the blame away from EV in general btw. As I know you are allergic to such claim
 
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It would be interesting to see what will happen if he doesnt win the Cl again next season. We are wasting Messis prime year by year.
 

serghei

Senior Member
How many times we got more than 1-0 wins against an 11 man team in a knock out? How many times we didn't play our game in away games?
That goes up to Chelsea game in 2005, Old Trafford game in 2008, Pep against Chelsea & Inter while failing to win an away knockout game at home. Tito getting humiliated against Milan & Bayern (though he got us humiliated again at home against Bayern) and LE getting beaten up by AM away, having exactly same results EV had with 0-3 & 0-4 defeats.
Even if it is just "missing chances" those are chances we score at home.
Those chances you use as excuse, are the part of the problem, why is the fuck this team isn't half clinical at home as it is away? Why we are inept and slower in away game? for so long.
Those chances missed are huge part of discussion. It isn't "players failing coach" it is a team continuous problem.
As bad as we were against Liverpool, we could have put the game to end in 1st half, we were actually the better team and created many chances and we wasted them. And I would never use those as excuse for the coach btw. But It is the club to find what is happening to our players away from home. Hire a psychologist or something.

And again, that isn't a comparison to the team that was with Pep, or the team that was with EV, nor with the coaches. It is the consistent problem of failing to play our game (including finishing) away from home.
If it hasn't changed during the era of last 5 coaches (3 if you exclude you beloved Pep) then something deeper need to be fixed in the team. That doesn't take the blame away from EV in general btw. As I know you are allergic to such claim

There are multiple parts of the problem.

We now have:

1) Questionable mentality away from home where pressure is higher. Pretty self-explanatory.

This part is on the players mostly, but also down to the manager obviously, since a leader and a fighter usually transmits the vibe to the players. Not the case with Valverde who is as bland and uninspiring as it gets.

2) Terrible tactics, repeating the same mistakes. Defensive formations trying to hold leads instead of applying the hammer blow. Keeping your best most consistent passer and possession player on the bench, and playing an old midfield with an average age of over 30. Parking the bus often when pressured.

This part is almost solely on Valverde, because he is a defensive manager, in charge of a team that is not built to defend like Atletico Madrid. Some mitigating circumstances since some players are harder to fit in a cohesive tactical plan (Messi mainly), but by no means this absolves the manager from having the main responsibility here.

3) Laziness, lack of motivation, and lack of intensity.

This part is on some players, but again also on the manager who never takes any measures as to improve us in this aspect, and let the players know that complacency can't happen at a certain level.

You had Lucho who benched Pique after a period of really bad games where he was out of focus. Did the same thing to Rakitic. Did the same to Jordi Alba when he was unhappy with his performances and decided to try something else. So you have a manager who made squad management decision which ended up in benching some senior players for reasons other than precaution/resting/rotation.

So we have examples of a manager actually taking decisions against the core veteran of this team in the past. Luis Enrique did that. He was not afraid to impose his will. But not this manager. Not Valverde. Because he doesn't have enough authority and courage.
 
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brockg777

Member
My bet is he plays Griez Suarez Messi with Coutinho and Dembele rotating in. Prob starts with De Jong, Busquets, and Raki midfield rotating in Vidal for Busquets/raki and Arthur for De Jong. He basically picks the highest FIFA stats players like a 10 yr old.
 

FCBfan22

Senior Member
This fucker went to Anfield to defend and fielded both Leo and Fatass, who don't do that. He went to play bunker with 8 OUTFIELD PLAYERS against a young hungry side coached by currently top 3 coach in the world and with Bob as a RB. A paradox.
 

George_Costanza

Active member
Valverde is having a dream team now. Probably the strongest Barca in the last decade. He should win the UCL while playing Pubg on the bench. No excuses.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
Valverde is having a dream team now. Probably the strongest Barca in the last decade. He should win the UCL while playing Pubg on the bench. No excuses.

😂 Valverde winning Cl? Maybe if we have Chelsea 2012 luck. Otherwise we'll just end up being humiliated again.

This guy Shitverde is 80 percent of the problem. The other 20%is players like Busquets, Rakitic, Pique and Suarez.
 
Shitverde with all these attacking players is like a guy with erectile dysfunction surrounded by hot chicks.

lol what a comparison.

The main problem is that we cant finish our chances away as clinical as at home. Even Messi who is one of the most clinical forward ever couldnt score one of the two 1 vs 1 chances against Alisson. But next season will be our season.....
 

kattanib

Well-known member
Shitverde with all these attacking players is like a guy with erectile dysfunction surrounded by hot chicks.

What if he doesn’t have the experience to use it? He will excuse himself to the nearest bathroom and get it done with .. what a waste
 

kattanib

Well-known member
So what do you have to say about anything and everything? About any freaking fly? I want to hear your voice wussy
 

jamrock

Senior Member
If we had sense this is what we should do.

Sell
Coutinho
Saurez
Rakitic

Buy
Erkisen
Young striker(Martinez, jovic(yes I know) it something in that line.

Play

-------- mat

Semedo----pique---umtiti---alba

-----------de jong

----eriksen----------aurthur

-----messi----blonde arse----dembele.

Subs
Martinez
Busquets
Alena
Vidal
Lengent
Robero
Lb
Cb.

Bomb great 👌 first XI perfectly balanced midfield, shall I say reminiscent of the hold Trinity? And great depth and quality off the bench, we have a traditional 9 when we need it, plus he has time to develop until messi leaves in 2 seasons.

But instead we want Neymar and to keep rakitic, fools.
 

kattanib

Well-known member
If we had sense this is what we should do.

Sell
Coutinho
Saurez
Rakitic

Buy
Erkisen
Young striker(Martinez, jovic(yes I know) it something in that line.

Play

-------- mat

Semedo----pique---umtiti---alba

-----------de jong

----eriksen----------aurthur

-----messi----blonde arse----dembele.

Subs
Martinez
Busquets
Alena
Vidal
Lengent
Robero
Lb
Cb.

Bomb great 👌 first XI perfectly balanced midfield, shall I say reminiscent of the hold Trinity? And great depth and quality off the bench, we have a traditional 9 when we need it, plus he has time to develop until messi leaves in 2 seasons.

But instead we want Neymar and to keep rakitic, fools.

Awesome. And when unproven Dembele gets injured, you have another unproven forward sub for that. Great way to win the champions league
 

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