Ernesto Valverde - V1

[kattanib]

I think this forum in general needs a reality check as well. A manager change won't fix Barca's problems. If the manager is an improvement, it still won't be enough to win a CL with the squad as it is. The ship has probably sailed on Messi winning another CL, he is turning 32 in a few weeks. Even if a manager came in right now (he won't because it seems barca are sticking with valverde), by the time the team is built Messi will be too old. The best Barca can hope for is a couple more Liga titles and cup titles before Messi leaves/retires.

It's only after Messi leaves that the board will truly begin a new era for barca, however good or bad that might be. Barca will need to suffer for some years before a good post Messi team is built, I wonder how many of the fans on here will stick around for that.

A manager change will change everything. Everything. A good manager will build a generation of footballers and we need this now. We are at a phase where we need someone who is great in one on one management. You have Dembele, Samedo, Arthur, Coutinho, Puig and now De Jong. EV is horrendous at such at task, he buried these players.

Pep back in the days built Pique, Busquets, Pedro and Alves. He also brought the best version of Iniesta and made us forget Ronaldinho in the left flank after watching him play for few games

 

[kattanib]

Seems we will need to endure one more shitty season. I hope we dont lose good players in the process such as Dembele and Coutinho because of EV

 

[kattanib]

Whether a new coach comes or not, the squad needs an overhaul.

Not a complete overhaul in one season but tangible changes this season and the next.

The squad is ageing and we need to evolve if we want to compete in Europe.

IMO the jury is still out on Valgreen leaving this season. That Copa game could surprise alot of people.

If you get to have Greizman Suarez Messi Coutinho and Demeble in attack (Suarez can be a sub and Coutinho moves to CAM as needed), and if you have a midfield of Arthur, Coutinho, De Jong, Puig and Busquets, then what overhaul do we need? Just a proper manager for the most part

 

[Andrew M]

Upgrade yes, but within 6 months, without a shadow of a doubt most Barca fans would be sick of either Setien or Sarri - they are just not elite, and you need an elite manager to win the CL, so at best - trophies wise they can only do as well. I hope the board are thinking let's wait throughout the summer and see if anyone better becomes available. To get a Pep or Poch will take weeks of negotiation.

Is Lucho really elite? I doubt it. Certainly di Matteo wasn't. Was Rijkaard really elite?

 

[Barcilliant]

People whinging about our players yet Liverpool on the verge of winning Cl with players like Origi, Shaquiri, Milner and Henderson!!! 😃

 

[Barcilliant]

Yes, we need some new players and we need to phase out some older ones. But look at what Shitverde is doing. Playing the seniors week in week out.

The idiot didn't even attempt a midfield of Arthur, Coutinho and Vidal. Rakitic and Busquets were are automatic starters regardless of form or age and every other midfielder has to fight for the one spot.

Look at Semedo. Does well for a couple of games and the replaced by Roberto.
Shitverde has no vision. Short or long term. He is simply a yes man who has ground out some results and keeps the seniors in their comfort zone.

 

[henias]

I think this forum in general needs a reality check as well. A manager change won't fix Barca's problems. If the manager is an improvement, it still won't be enough to win a CL with the squad as it is. The ship has probably sailed on Messi winning another CL, he is turning 32 in a few weeks. Even if a manager came in right now (he won't because it seems barca are sticking with valverde), by the time the team is built Messi will be too old. The best Barca can hope for is a couple more Liga titles and cup titles before Messi leaves/retires.

It's only after Messi leaves that the board will truly begin a new era for barca, however good or bad that might be. Barca will need to suffer for some years before a good post Messi team is built, I wonder how many of the fans on here will stick around for that.

Manager will fix the problems, what are you on about.

Even if there's a chance we won't win the CL, the younger players still need to be given more chances so that they mature and improve faster. As long as the coach doesn't stick to core players, then it's fine. A step is a step forward, rather than having Valverde we are constantly going backwards.

 

[Messigician]

People whinging about our players yet Liverpool on the verge of winning Cl with players like Origi, Shaquiri, Milner and Henderson!!! 😃

They'll bottle it

 

[Maxim4]

a video that explains some detailed things about
Valverde, if he is ready to remain coach of Barça.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EeQ8sD9-Wic

 

[Cule4life]

Right now as rigid and pragmatic as Valverde's system may seem he is consistently delivering on the domestic stage

Yeah we only won La liga and Copa easily a gazillion times before Valgreen. Just imagine how worse off we would be without Ernesto "league master" Valverde

The delusional fanboy forum r/barca is that way

 

[FCB1987]

"Our signings in the last few years have been abysmal and there is no manager in the world that could do much better than EV with this squad. Considering how much weaker we are now than 5 years ago, when we last won the CL, he did amazing just to reach the semis."

This comment is +11 on r/barca

He did amazing to get past Lyon and Manchester United with our squad

 

[Tackle]

"Our signings in the last few years have been abysmal and there is no manager in the world that could do much better than EV with this squad. Considering how much weaker we are now than 5 years ago, when we last won the CL, he did amazing just to reach the semis."

This comment is +11 on r/barca

He did amazing to get past Lyon and Manchester United with our squad

That's a bit over the top, but the crux of that poster's argument still stands.


Let's compare the 14-15 squad to the current one and I'll give all the fan favourites the disputed starter spots:

14/15 Messi > Current Messi
14/15 Suarez >>>>> Current Suarez
14/15 Neymar >>>>> Dembele

14/15 Iniesta >>>>> Arthur
14/15 Rakitic >>>>> Current Rakitic
14/15 Busquets >>>>> Current Busquets

14/15 Alba << Current Alba
14/15 Masche = Lenglet
14/15 Pique >> Current Pique
14/15 Alves >>>>> Semedo

14/15 Stegen <<< Current Stegen

Now let's look at the subs:

14/15 Xavi > Current Vidal
14/15 Pedro >> Coutinho/Malcom
14/15 Rafinha > Alena

Mere three positions (bolded) out of 14 where our current squad matches up with the one of 14/15.

But forget the facts, Valverde has a spectacular, "all-time" Barca squad and deserves to be sacked for winning back to back doubles instead of back to back trebles. How dare he! Bring in 60 year old underachieving, trophyless Setien, or flavour of the month Ten Hag who can't speak Spanish and bottled a 3-0 lead himself!

 

[FCBfan22]

Well... You admit that our current squad is worse now and older... Yet defendng Ernie for doing no rotations whatsoever.

Mind you, Lucho went bananas with rotation in 14/15, which is one of the main reasons for our spectacular finish this year. And he had the word over players, unlike EV, who is steered by seniors.

Despite of his obvious tactical flaws (especially in setting up a midfield), which surfaced in his 2nd season, he was a master at motivating the players and knew that a football season is a marathon, so the stamina is incredibly important. Now we have Ernie, who cannot do neither of those 2 things.

 

[MTL_Barca]

So if the squad is so bad and Barca only wins games because Valverde is the GOAT coach, he surely will rebuild the squad this summer right? It should be easy for him to do that and play more attacking. He surely wont be a coward and start all the old shitty players as long as they want. Because that would mean he can't do it better and has no balls but since he is a blessing to the football world that can't be true

Slightly above average coach at best playing average and very very boring and slow football. Is loved by seniors because they start as long as they want. That's not how a team that's on it's way of approaching an average starting 11 age of 30 years should prepare for the coming years.

 

[Tackle]

Well... You admit that our current squad is worse now and older... Yet defendng Ernie for doing no rotations whatsoever.

Mind you, Lucho went bananas with rotation in 14/15, which is one of the main reasons for our spectacular finish this year. And he had the word over players, unlike EV, who is steered by seniors.

Despite of his obvious tactical flaws (especially in setting up a midfield), which surfaced in his 2nd season, he was a master at motivating the players and knew that a football season is a marathon, so the stamina is incredibly important. Now we have Ernie, who cannot do neither of those 2 things.

Great, more lies being peddled. There are plenty of valid critiques to be made of Valverde, there is no need to fabricate rubbish to prove your point.

Valverde rotated the senior players a fair amount this season and there were plenty of fresh faces to be seen in the cup matches and smaller league games. This criticism was valid a season ago, but as shocking as it may sound coaches can improve as well just like players do. Despite the collapse at Anfield this year's EV is vastly superior to last year's version and the same will hold true next season.

Lucho lost the room, needed Xavi to intervene to save his job and rode the greatest attacking trident ever firing on all cylinders to a treble and managed to eke out a double the following season just as the MSN tactic was falling apart. EV has nothing to envy about Lucho's managerial abilities. They have different profiles but both Lucho and EV are in the same tier as managers.